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Insurers won't pay out on cancelled wedding pre-lockdown

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BlowDryRat · 15/03/2021 17:55

Our wedding was scheduled for the Saturday before lockdown last March. Out of our group of 35, my witness and I were both on the shielding list, we had 2 over 70's and 2 pregnant guests. Everyone was panic-buying and had been told by the government not to socialise. So we postponed it, losing about £1.5k with various suppliers.

We claimed the £1.5k on our wedding insurance but they won't pay out because it was before lockdown started. I'm gutted. We did the right thing, following the government guidelines and putting our guests' and suppliers' safety first, and we're being penalised for it.

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prh47bridge · 15/03/2021 19:01

If you have exhausted your insurer's complaints process, you should refer it to the Financial Ombudsman Service provided it has been less than 6 months since you received your insurer's final decision. If they find in your favour, they can order your insurer to pay up.

BlowDryRat · 15/03/2021 19:15

Thanks. We've only just received the decision. I thought at the time that this might happen so I've got lots of screenshots saved of the .Gov website, news articles etc.

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LunaHeather · 15/03/2021 19:22

@BlowDryRat

Thanks. We've only just received the decision. I thought at the time that this might happen so I've got lots of screenshots saved of the .Gov website, news articles etc.
Oh that's good

I was thinking, the pub closure order must have been extrapolated to private events? Or was that one of those things the government forgot existed?

I remember the date of the West End closure was 16 March.

ivfbeenbusy · 15/03/2021 19:25

It would depend on the exact wording of the Policies in place before the official lockdown - I can see why in the face of it they rejected your claim as the wedding was allowed to go ahead at that time

LunaHeather · 15/03/2021 19:34

@ivfbeenbusy

It would depend on the exact wording of the Policies in place before the official lockdown - I can see why in the face of it they rejected your claim as the wedding was allowed to go ahead at that time
So can I

But if pubs were ordered to close by law, surely a hospitality venue would be the same?

BlowDryRat · 15/03/2021 20:56

The venue was open and we could have gone ahead but it wasn't safe to do so according to my GP and the government. It hadn't actually been made law at that time though and I wasn't ill Sad

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BlowDryRat · 15/03/2021 22:25

Ok, this is my email response to the insurer. Anyone care to take a look?

Venue – whilst we note the primary reason for yourwedding’s cancellation is self-isolation of keyweddingguests, we regret to advise this cannot be considered under your policy as only thedeath, injury, or sickness of the marrying couple orweddingpartyis an insured event. However, if you can evidence your venue’s cancellation of yourwedding, or otherwise that your venue was closed on your plannedweddingdate of 21/03/2020, we may be able to proceed further with your claim.

The venue was open on 21/03/2020. Proof of cancellation of our event, was previously included with our claim. I have also attached further evidence of the circumstances leading to the unavoidable cancellation of our wedding:

a) File name: 16-Mar - WedInsure self-isolating. This is a screenshot taken from our insurer's website prior to cancelling our event. The text says: 'If any key people were unable to attend due to being quarantined or self-isolating due to the coronavirus would I be covered for cancellation?... We would notcover a close relative if they self-isolate unless they have a valid medical certificate certified by a GP or hospital.' This strongly implies that the insurer does cover cancellation for coronavirus self-isolation if the bride, groom and/or close relatives have a valid medical certificate certified by a GP or hospital. A valid medical certificate certified by my GP was enclosed with the original claim documentation.

b) File name: 16-Mar - .Gov website. This is a print-out taken from the government website prior to cancelling our event. The government acted to issue guidance which 'advised against' social mixing in the community for all people aged 0-69 (9 close relatives due to attend the wedding, as defined by the insurer in file (a)) and 'strongly advised against' social mixing in the community for those aged 70+ (2 close relatives as defined above), those of any age with an underlying health condition (1 close relative as defined above), pregnant women (2 further guests) and those with serious underlying health conditions (the bride, as certified by her GP).

The section titled 'What is social distancing?' gives measures that '[E]veryone should be trying to follow... as much as is pragmatic' and 'For those who are over 70, have an underlying health condition or are pregnant, we strongly advise you to follow theabove measures as much as you can, and to significantly limit your face-to-face interaction with friends and family if possible. This advice is likely to be in place for some weeks'. Two of those measures are applicable to our event: '(3) Avoid large gatherings, and gatherings in smaller public places such as pubs, cinemas, restaurants, theatres, bars clubs', and '(4) Avoid gatherings with friends and family. Keep in touch using remote technology such as phone, internet, and social media'. That these criteria are applicable to our event and in particular to me as the bride is evidenced by the valid medical certificate and shielding letters enclosed with the original claim documentation.

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LunaHeather · 15/03/2021 22:47

I'm sorry if I an being thick but is that how your reply is worded or have you padded it out to explain to us?

I am not an expert but it looks to me that the cancellation cover, as explained here, is mostly to cover a key person having to SI.

I agree that the wording implies the SI of a key person would give your money back, but unless it's either of the couple getting wed,
I'm surprised it says that.

I am also confused by you saying you weren't ill at the time but then saying you had a GP note?

I don't think the govt advice is going to help, i'd stick to the law.

This will hopefully bump your post so someone with knowledge can help.

BlowDryRat · 15/03/2021 23:03

Sorry, it's part of my reply c+p. There's more but that's to other points that they were asking about, which aren't relevant.

I know it's only advice but publishing it was a government act (small 'a'). They sent the email with a blurb saying that they had originally rejected the claim because cancellations caused government regulations and acts weren't covered, but then a court said they were so they reconsidered. Unavoidable cancellation because the government shut down the hospitality sector would be covered. I'm arguing that our cancellation was also unavoidable because of an government act, i.e. implementing shielding and social distancing guidance. I didn't have coronavirus symptoms but I was/am on the shielding list and have a certificate signed by my GP saying they advised against proceeding with the wedding.

Hopefully that makes a bit more sense.

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LunaHeather · 15/03/2021 23:15

Okay, that second post makes much more sense.

I'd go with "bride advised - by GP - not safe to attend wedding".

ivfbeenbusy · 16/03/2021 05:41

The issue you have is that it was guidance only on the date of your wedding - It wasn't law which was the case when lockdown commenced.

A) Shielding is not self isolating - prior to lockdown it was "advised to shield" not you must shield. None of the key members of the wedding party were quarantining or self isolating

B) as per your post it states "strongly advise" not you must therefore on the date your wedding was due to go ahead it was a matter of personal choice whether to attend or not rather than having no choice when the government enforceably closed venues

Pregnant women have never been on the formal shielding list (I was pregnant with twins through all lockdowns) - we were advised to limit social contact where possible only

Out of 35 guests only have 2 over age 70 and 2 pregnant guests I would have said is not grounds for cancellation- it's not like it's 50% or more of your entire wedding?

Knowing insurers this is what they will use to paying out. Remember they'll have been hit really hard by people claiming during the enforced closures so they are going to use every excuse in the book to avoid pay outs where they can

user1487194234 · 16/03/2021 05:55

If was legal for the wedding to go ahead I think you will struggle here

Lentillover1900 · 16/03/2021 06:22

OP, more than a decade Insurance experience.
I highly doubt you have a case

  1. Any rejections atm are being peer reviewed with a fine tooth comb because the FCA is focussing very much in this type of claim
  2. Lockdown hadn’t begun. It was only advice.
  3. The terms of your cover add Unambiguous re when cover kicks in.
Lentillover1900 · 16/03/2021 06:23

* have a certificate signed by my GP saying they advised against proceeding with the wedding.*

What is this?!

DianaT1969 · 16/03/2021 06:28

The screenshot from their website seems your best hope. Your illness.
Is it worth investing in a solicitor's letter? One that will get to the crux.

SpiderinaWingMirror · 16/03/2021 06:30

Read the bit about wedding insurance!

BlowDryRat · 16/03/2021 07:31

@Lentillover1900

* have a certificate signed by my GP saying they advised against proceeding with the wedding.*

What is this?!

My GP advised against going ahead with the wedding as I was in the shielding category and signed an insurance form to that effect.

Thanks so much for all the comments. The wedding only had 35 people, including me and 6 child guests, so even though the numbers are small, it had a big impact. And a wedding without a bride doesn't quite work!

They haven't formally rejected the claim yet, just said that they wouldn't pay out unless one of us was ill, so I'll give it a shot. £1.5k is a hefty chunk of money but luckily the suppliers who could make the new date moved our booking free of charge.

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Lentillover1900 · 16/03/2021 08:15

My GP advised against going ahead with the wedding as I was in the shielding category and signed an insurance form to that effect.

It may hinge on this.
If it’s due to an illness then you stand a chance.
But not if GP was essentially saying - best not to risk. Because not covered.

Onjnmoeiejducwoapy · 20/03/2021 20:16

I don’t think you’d be covered

prh47bridge · 21/03/2021 00:05

If it’s due to an illness then you stand a chance. But not if GP was essentially saying - best not to risk. Because not covered.

If the covered claims arising from an outbreak of a contagious disease, the OP was covered. If government act or regulation was covered, the OP may be covered.

Also, the Financial Ombudsman has been clear that insurers must consider what is fair and reasonable in the circumstances rather than rely rigidly on the policy wording. It is therefore possible that the OP is covered regardless of the policy wording.

tinseloatcake · 21/03/2021 18:21

I don't think you are covered either.

I'm sure it has been said previously but I am endlessly surprised that people postpone one of the most serious decisions of their lives for the sake of a party. I heard someone today who had postponed twice - are year each time. Talk about whiling your life away.

BlowDryRat · 21/03/2021 18:36

We didn't postpone 'for the sake of a party'. We postponed because as someone who had been told by the government and my GP not to leave the house and to stay 2m away from my own DC, I was terrified of dying of Covid and leaving my children without a mother. Not to mention sharing that around my CV dad, my elderly MIL and grandma and two pregnant friends. I think a year on it's difficult to remember just how scary it was. This was in the midst of panic buying, toilet roll shortages and images flooding in from Italy and Spain of people dying on hospital floors in their hundreds.

We did eventually get married last September, with hardly any guests.

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EdithWeston · 21/03/2021 18:47

First shielding confirmations were sent by text on 23 March, and the letter followed shortly thereafter. Of course most people on the shielding list had worked out who they were and had started precautions before the official launch date

When did you get your formal shielding letter? And what was in the GP's letter that makes it clear you were advised to shield before shielding began? I think your medical condition might be the most relevant thing here.

BlowDryRat · 21/04/2021 11:41

Update: the insurer has just got in touch to say that they'll pay out! The exact words on the email are 'We have reviewed the attached screenshots, and the points raised, and feel that there is no further reason to delay settlement at this time'. DH reckons that they decided arguing with me was costing too many chargeable hours :D

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