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Is there or isn't there a Will? What happens next?

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alwaysinjured · 11/03/2020 13:42

Hi, I'm posting this for a friend of mine and just asking for advice please. The parents of my friend and his sister divorced about 40 years ago. After that both parents re married, and my friend and his sister grew up to have families of their own. They have a great relationship with their mother and her husband, but on their father's side, it's been a different story. The stepmother was never nice to them and even as adults, always resented them and the times they were with their Dad. She didn't look after their Dad properly in his last days, refusing to get proper care for him and blaming everyone but herself for the issues, and so the list would go on (the bad blood went back decades). Recently, the Dad died, with both children (adults now) at his bedside in hospital, with the stepmum nowhere to be seen.

The problem now arises concerns the Will - they don't know if their Dad had made a Will or not. To all intents and purposes the Dad had said he didn't have a Will, despite being fairly wealthy with a business and company. If there is no Will then under the rules of Intestacy, the kids should be entitled to something, but there doesn't seem to be any way of checking. The stepmum won't communicate with them, won't tell them who the solicitor is, and certainly won't tell them if there is a Will or not.
When the Dads estate goes through Probate, will the fact come up that he has/hasn't a Will? How can they be informed either way? How does the process work? And if the Step Mum doesn't fill in the forms properly (by not declaring that the Dad has two kids), will that break the law? And how does the State ensure that she doesn't spend /move all the money (if there is no Will) that the kids might be entitled to?
Sorry for the long post and I know these are fairly harsh questions, but they have been through so much these last few years with their Dad's illness and the lack of care and compassion that has been shown by his wife - and on his deathbed he was trying to speak to give his kids power of attorney, company shares etc, but no one could really understand him at that point and it won't stand up legally.
So basically I'm asking anyone who knows how Probate will work with an Intestacy and how they find out about the estate if there is no solicitor involved - who would contact them? Who would deal with the estate etc? If there is no Will, who ensures that it is fair? Thanks.

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HappyHammy · 11/03/2020 19:46

Are you in the UK. Do you know who is dealing with his estate and probate.

HappyHammy · 11/03/2020 20:12

I wonder if you can view the Probate, look up Gov,UK Probate site. You might find out if there was a Will from that then order a copy of the Will if there was one.

seriouslystumped · 11/03/2020 20:34

You'll be able to get a copy of the will - if there is one - from the .gov website by carrying out a probate search.

If there's no will, there is a grant of letters of administration, not probate.

Perhaps contact a company like Certainty who carry out searches for wills.

If there is no will, any of you can take out the grant of letters of administration as you are all equally entitled.

Good luck

alwaysinjured · 12/03/2020 09:43

Thank you. I think my friend asked for a Will search a few weeks back but there's been no information (maybe that means there's no Will). They have no idea re solicitor as they never spoke to their Dad about solicitors. They tried to get him to do a Will for years but he always resisted. I will pass these tips on - thank you.

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prh47bridge · 12/03/2020 12:56

Just to deal with a couple of questions that haven't been answered...

Making a false statement when applying for probate is an offence.

The state will not do anything to ensure she doesn't spend or hide money that should go to the children. However, if there is evidence that she has done this the children can take action against her and, depending on the circumstances, the police may be interested.

GoatyGoatyMingeMinge · 14/03/2020 11:48

I'd say they need a solicitor, not third-hand advice from Mumsnet! But under the circumstances I would guess the best thing to do is to assume intestacy and for the children to apply for letters of administration - they would then act as "executors" (in fact called administrators as I recall in this situation, but performing the same function). I think that if there is in fact a will which his wife attempts to prove then the children will find out immediately because their attempt to administer the estate will be discontinued in her favour.

However, note the words "guess" and "assume" above - they need to see someone who knows what they're talking about.

billybagpuss · 14/03/2020 11:50

The will is available on the probate site once they’ve applied and it costs £1.50 to view and takes a couple of days. It’s very easy.

alwaysinjured · 21/03/2020 11:26

Thanks so much everyone. Update: the Will search has come back negative. My friend has tried to contact the stepmum but received a reply that was obviously not written by her (she got his name wrong). It also seems that she removed her husband (the father) from the directorship of one of the companies on the day he died (she wasn't at his bedside but my friend and his sister were) and there's been no other contact from her to any members of my friend's family. So the question I have now is: should they apply to be administrators now? How do they do that? Or should they contact a lawyer? Also, what lawyer would it be as the average solicitor probably wouldn't be able to do this? I know they will need professional advice but it's worth seeing whether anyone has had these issues - probate is complicated enough so I'm sure intestacy will be worse!

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prh47bridge · 21/03/2020 15:31

The step-mother has priority. If she has applied to administer the estate your friends will not be able to do so. They can only administer the estate if she doesn't want to.

If they are able to administer the estate they should look at www.gov.uk/applying-for-probate/apply-for-probate which tells them what they need to do. They don't need a lawyer for this. If they do need a lawyer I don't see why you think an average solicitor wouldn't be able to handle it.

In the circumstances you describe I suspect the step-mother is administering the estate (or intends to do so). Remember that the estate may not be worth as much as they think. For example, if the house was occupied by him and his wife as joint tenants it is now entirely hers and does not form part of the estate. Similarly any money in joint bank accounts is now hers. They will only inherit if the estate is worth more than £250k assuming this is in England or Wales.

Assuming he owns shares in the company to which you refer, removing him as a director (if that is what she has done) makes no difference. The value of the shares is what goes into his estate.

prh47bridge · 21/03/2020 15:32

They will only inherit if the estate is worth more than £250k

£270k if he dies on or after 6th February this year.

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