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Falsely accused

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Steve15 · 14/02/2020 19:49

Hi Mums
I’m a Dad
My name is Steve, I’m writing on behalf of my wife. My wife yesterday went to the school to pick up my boys. It turns out that my 8 yr old had been arguing with another child. (This boy is known to be extremely violent and has previously broken a teacher’s ankle by pushing her down the stairs, attacked kids with chairs, threatens to stab kids and all sorts of rotten behaviour)
While leaving school, the other child was trying to attack my son, so my wife calmly held her arm out in a stance like holding a shield. The boy kept coming forward making my wife walk backwards. While this is going on, the other child’s mother said get your hands off of my boy’s throat. My wife never had her hands on his throat but used her forearm which the boy was pushing forward against with his chest. Now the teachers are saying my wife is band from the school for 31 days because she put her hands on another child. Which couldn’t be helped because no parent would in their right mind would allow their child to be attacked by someone approaching with such hysteria. The whole time the other mother didn’t even try to restrain her own child. The mother has already gone around telling other mothers that my wife had put her hands round her sons neck. What I would like to know is, should we phone the police and report this lady for spreading false accusations? There were many witnesses to this event and camera footage. I feel that this mother needs the wind put up her.
Thanks for all your time

Steve

OP posts:
carly2803 · 14/02/2020 20:38

yes 100% get the police involved and put a complaint in to the school.

you wont be allowed to see the CCTV but the police will.. You must do it to
1.clear your wifes name

  1. sort this crazy bitch of a woman out (and her son)!

best of luck!!

Soontobe60 · 14/02/2020 20:42

Has the school not already viewed the CCTV? If so, it will show the event and then they should change their decision if your wife didn't touch this child.

SouthWestmom · 14/02/2020 20:46

Well you only have your wife's word for what happened - did the teachers witness it? I'm surprised if they didn't and have just gone with the other mum's story. More to this maybe?

Bluntness100 · 14/02/2020 20:48

Odd, havent the school reviewed the camera footage to validate your wives version of events?

PegasusReturns · 14/02/2020 20:51

Request a copy of the CCTV.

Under GDPR the school is compelled to provide a copy to you. Once you have the CCTV Male an appointment with the school and ask them to explain specifically what was improper in your wife’s conduct. Go from there.

PegasusReturns · 14/02/2020 20:52

Sorry should be clearer - your wife needs to request a copy of her data. The school gave to provide it.

prh47bridge · 15/02/2020 00:17

Under GDPR the school is compelled to provide a copy to you

No they aren't. If it shows the incident in full it is also personal data of the child and possibly also other people and therefore the school must not disclose it to the OP's wife.

PegasusReturns · 15/02/2020 09:04

@prh47bridge I disagree.

Best practice would be for the CCTV operator to redact information relating to third parties - this can be achieved with modern CCTV system.

Where there are conflicting data subject rights the controller is required to balance accordingly. Given the OPs wife has suffered a sanction and there is now presumably more data held about her that is inaccurate (on OPs version) and at the same time is already aware of who the other data subjects are then it’s entirely reasonable to argue that her rights outweigh those of the other data subject. There is ECHR case law on this.

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Steve15 · 15/02/2020 11:59

Sadly this woman is a bit crazy. She also told another mum (a friend of my wife) that she pushed my wife twice and said “come on then” this was while she had her two kids in the car and her adult daughter on loud speaker. She did not push my wife and say that at all. I find it fascinating that she would lie about that in front of her own children, who probably thinking, you didn’t do that! Her adult daughter on loud speaker said she’s going to wait round the corner of the school (previously banned from school for threatening another mother) to attack my wife.
This boys rotten behaviour is not going to improve if he’s hearing adults speak like that.

OP posts:
Original poster
Steve15 · 15/02/2020 12:02

I find your comment insulting. To say that I only have my wife’s word.
My wife is not going to lie to me of all people now is she. Apply some common sense before you speak!

OP posts:
Wallywobbles · 15/02/2020 12:06

Police asap.

Original poster
Steve15 · 15/02/2020 12:16

I honestly don’t know if the camera footage was observed by the head teacher. The camera is placed in a narrow pathway maybe 12 foot wide with every woman and child leaving school at the same time, so view could possibly be obscured. The head teacher took yesterday off so my wife could not follow this up now until the kids go back to school in one weeks time. My wife was very upset because she couldn’t attend my boy’s assembly about a school trip that my wife helped out with. The conditions given, are that my wife must go through a different entrance to take my boys in to school and pick them up. The same entrance that the other mother must take her son through because he has a permanent ban from entering and leaving the school from the play ground because he is such a high risk. I find them arrangements to be very conflicting and possibly leading to another confrontation. Although the boy is in the same boy as my son anyway!

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SouthWestmom · 15/02/2020 12:32

It's common sense to think there's more to this as no normal school will ban a parent for non aggressive protection of their Small child. Apply some critical thinking before you reply.

BobbyBlueCat · 15/02/2020 12:45

".....should we phone the police and report this lady for spreading false accusations?"

That isn't a criminal offence.

cabbageking · 15/02/2020 13:05

The cctv can't be released under GDPR.

The school can bar any parent from school if they pose a risk. It depends therefore what they have considered to arrive at this decision. Your wife can appeal the decision with the Head. Concentrate on this.How did they arrive at this decision and will it be extended.

This is not a Police matter unless the other women wishes to press charges for assault or similar against your wife.

prh47bridge · 15/02/2020 13:55

There is ECHR case law on this

No there isn't. The ECHR doesn't deal with GDPR. That is a matter for the ECJ.

ICO guidance (which is in line with existing case law) is that if people other than the person making the request are visible in the CCTV it should not be disclosed. In this instance, obscuring the faces of the individuals involved in the incident would be insufficient as they would still be indirectly identifiable to the OP's wife as she knows who was involved in the incident. To disclose legally would probably involve removing the other individuals to such an extent that the footage would be useless for determining what contact (if any) took place.

SouthWestmom · 15/02/2020 15:25

It's just not adding up. Get your wife to post. The other kid and mum have to use a separate entrance - now your wife does too so they will meet. So where did the incident take place, and why would cctv capture it if the kid isn't allowed in the playground/the same route? And now the woman's daughter has threatened your wife who stood listening to a conversation rather than just leaving?

Original poster
Steve15 · 15/02/2020 16:04

Noeuf your getting a little confused. The kid run round to the playground from the other entrance.
My wife was informed of this conversation by her friend who was called over to the other mothers car.

OP posts:
SouthWestmom · 15/02/2020 16:18

While leaving school, the other child was trying to attack my son,

You missed that out of your original version. I'm sorry but I don't think you have the full picture here at all.

SouthWestmom · 15/02/2020 16:19

Plus I'd suggest you leave your faintly patronising tone at the door if you do decide to take it up in your wife's behalf. Maybe let her do the talking?

IndecentFeminist · 15/02/2020 18:26

I can imagine that from the school's point of view, 'having her arm up across his chest' probably sounds very similar to hands on neck, and may look similar to an observer in the heat of movement etc. If the camera footage is obscured they're having to look at the actions of both parents. In your wife's circumstances I wouldn't have continued walking out meaning pushing physical contact, I'd have headed back into school to alert staff. To the other mum her arm on his chest may have looked like arm under neck.

I don't think this is a police matter however, the school are allowed to set the rules, and they deem your wife's actions as being hands/arms on a pupil.

cabbageking · 15/02/2020 20:39

If the other parent is banned and already uses a separate entry and exit to other parents and can not access the playground. How did they engage at the same place?

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