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Forced house sale?

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atomicblonde30 · 02/01/2020 14:04

Regular poster but N/C for this as SIL knows my username. Warning LONG post.

Asking for advice on behalf of my brother, he separated from his wife 5 years ago divorce went through about 2. There was no financial order in the divorce, he doesn’t know why (he did it without a solicitor because of funds and ex-SIL had a good one.)

They have one child (7) my nephew and ex-SIL is still living in the family home. Family home was bought with a loan from our parents 23K in 2006 (can’t prove it was a loan) she contributed nothing, house is an interest only mortgage at around £270ish a month so zero of the actual balance has ever been paid off the house, the house has however gone up in value and now worth 20K more than original price due to extensive work my brother did to it.

So potentially 43k to be had if house is sold.

Thing is she won’t move, absolutely refuses to move, sell or buy him out. My brother is currently living in a shared house that’s all he can afford to rent on what he has left I’ve after maintenance (£150 per month but he pays £300) he has his son 6 nights and 7 days out of every 14 so a pretty decent amount and really needs his money back to access suitable housing for them both.

She keeps saying she has rights to stay until nephew is 18 and there’s nothing we can do but from what I can gather from a solicitor friend is that isn’t always the default formula but more everything is taken into account and both parents have rights to be adequately housed quite equally after a split. And nobody has any rights to enforce unless they have a court order saying so? Which neither of them have.

Ex-SIL has a very good job and with maintenance has an income of around 25K so could more than afford to buy somewhere else on her half of the deposit and any equity.

My brother has offered to pay all fees of a house sale (loaned by me) and take a reduced amount of 15k leaving her with 28K to rehouse herself. I’ve offered to loan him the money to fight this in court as I’m really worried about him and his mental health and feel closure would help him with this.

Basically what I’m asking is has anyone ever been through this and have any advice on whether he stands a chance or if it’s a lost cause before I shell out for £££ in solicitors fees.

Thanks. Sorry it’s so long wanted all the detail in.

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atomicblonde30 · 02/01/2020 19:45

Anyone?

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Justus77 · 11/01/2020 20:23

Hi I'm not a legal person but from information I learnt whilst going through the finances nightmare- you are right that the courts will take both situations into account with the needs of the child being paramount. From the time he spends with each parent I think your brother has good grounds. Definitely get advice, use the half an hour free that solicitors use and explore the application of legal aid.

I'm sure someone more in the know will come along but my experience was to use the half an hour with different solicitors to get an understanding of where I was. Good luck

Kanga83 · 11/01/2020 20:28

Is there any kind of Mesher order in place?

Kanga83 · 11/01/2020 20:29

Also, the majority of solicitors offer a free 30 mins consultation- I would strongly advise doing that and take it from there. I'm a lawyer but not in family law so would really recommend seeking the advice of a specialist solicitor.

melissasummerfield · 11/01/2020 20:30

Not really what you asked but why is he paying maintenance if they have 50/50 residency?

atomicblonde30 · 11/01/2020 21:16

Hi all I’ll try to respond to everything here, absolutely no mesher order or any financial order whatsoever in place, ex-SIL seems to rely on intimidation and is using these hypothetical orders and ‘rights’ to scare him - which works.

I should there is a small and infrequent but still notable history of physical abuse and financial abuse for her to him.

He pays maintenance because if he doesn’t she threatens to stop contact and absolutely follows through with it, last time it was over a month.

We’ve been to see solicitor and have been told because she is in employment with decent wage and my brother has quite a decent amount of contact he would stand a chance if it went to court. Unfortunately we’ve also been made aware that this could cost upwards of 7k if not more. He doesn’t have that money and I don’t have it to lend him either.

So looks like she’s won and there’s possibly nothing we can do. No legal aid as no proven violence etc.

He is in a bad place right now, I’m very worried about him.

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GolfForBrains · 11/01/2020 21:20

Family home was bought with a loan from our parents 23K in 2006 (can’t prove it was a loan)

What did they say when they signed the mortgage?

Snailandthewhale · 11/01/2020 21:27

A friend of mine was in a similar situation but there were no children involved.

Ex refused to sell, taken to court and courts forced sale. Majority of court fees came out of ex's share.

Is your brother still paying towards the mortgage?

I think has two options, either he signs the house over to her (I wouldn't personally) or he takes her to court. Sounds like they share custody so why should she be adequately housed and him not.

atomicblonde30 · 11/01/2020 22:00

What did who say @GolfForBrains? Sorry if that sounds dumb! Do you mean what did my parents say? If so they were less than happy, but he didn’t tell them until after it was done. She wasn’t even living in the same city when he went for the house, I think they had hoped she would stay there but she didn’t.

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atomicblonde30 · 11/01/2020 22:03

He isn’t paying towards mortgage anymore, it’s only a few hundered a month and so far she hasn’t asked him to contribute - he couldn’t anyway there’s simply no money left over.

The solicitor said he stood a great chance in court as both parents need to be adequately housed with the level of contact shared. It’s just paying for it that he just can’t. I don’t think they’d charge her for the fees as she would then possibly not be able to rehouse herself etc.

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GolfForBrains · 11/01/2020 22:11

Sorry @atomicblonde30 - normally the mortgage co want to know the source of your funds for the deposit. If it was a loan, did they say so on the paperwork? Would evidence it.

RedHelenB · 14/01/2020 05:37

300 pounds a month plus the money he is paying for shared ownership would allow him to rent something by himself given that housing is obviously cheap where he is. So he needs to get a court order specifying contact is 50/50 and use the saved maintenance towards housing if he can't afford to go to court about the house.

atomicblonde30 · 14/01/2020 09:04

Hi @GolfForBrains sorry got that spectacularly wrong lol! I’ve asked him and he can’t remember so I asked mum and she thinks it was put down as a gift as opposed to a loan as they didn’t want it ‘official’ so to speak. I do know he paid back 4K before it all went wrong.

Housing isn’t cheap around here, it’s 800pcm just for rent on average and then all bills etc.

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