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Employer Won't Pay SMP

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sophlouu98 · 21/06/2019 15:20

Hi everyone, I have been working for my current employer now for 4 and a half years (5 in November.)
I am expecting my second baby. My first was unfortunately stillborn full term due to a cord accident at 37+5, 19.01.18Halo** ... So as you can understand this is stressful enough as it is without the added stress of this upon my shoulders. Sad
I am due to go on maternity leave the 22.08.19. I sent an email to my employer 15 weeks before my due date stating when I would like SMP to start. I also provided proof of my pregnancy by handing in my MATB1 form. I done this within the correct set timescale and have proof of the sent email as evidence. 28 days passed since I sent the email and I received no response from my employer, confirming my SMP or giving me an SMP1 form to refuse my pay.
I text my employer about my maternity pay again, stating all the facts why I was entitled to SMP. Upon a verbal discussion with my employer she then informed me that she has had me on a 3/6 month contract that she has kept renewing for 4 and a half year, but will not be renewing it this time around. She stated the contract ran out in May, however informed me of this in a verbal discussion on the 18th of June. AND I am still working for my employer. She basically said I had not been working for her for 26 weeks or the 15th week before the baby is due as the contract ran out, (this is despite me still working there!)
I then informed her that if that was true she had to provide me with an SMP1 form. She was hesitant at first saying that she didn’t need to as I ‘technically’ wasn’t employed by her anymore as the contract had ended... despite me still working there and I have bank statements from the company which I can prove I have been working there for a lot more than 26 weeks! She then told me she would sort out the SMP1 form and when she is to give me it will provide me with a P45 at the same time. She said she was only a small business and wouldn’t be able to afford to pay me SMP as she is reliant on funding despite me telling her that she can re-claim statutory pay from HMRC.
I have seeked advice from ACAS who have said that despite her saying that my contract has ended, because I have still been working there, have bank statements as proof, that there could have been a verbal agreement in place for me to still do the role I am working. Therefore I still work there despite what she is saying about a contract ending. No end of contract notice has been given to myself what so ever. I have spoke to HMRC as well who also say that I satisfy the criteria for SMP and am awaiting them ringing me back so I can open a case against my employer.
Do you think that HMRC will be able to win my case against my employer? I have played everything by the book and provided all the evidence I should of regarding my pregnancy and SMP. She however is just making herself look dodgy as hell! I am so stressed with this and just want it sorting. It is having such a negative impact on my health, I dread going into work and when I am at home I can’t help but cry through the stress and upset of this situation. Any advice please? HMRC should be ringing me by next week regarding my case.**

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IVEgottheDECAF · 22/06/2019 11:13

Wow. If she cant afford to pay you smp how is she going to afford this! Well done for not backing down op

Greenkit · 24/06/2019 16:44

Any new Op, how is it going?

wibbletooth · 25/06/2019 15:05

Have you dug out your original contract(s!) to see what it (they?) said - did you think you were on a permanent contract or repeated other contracts?

Definitely harness the power of HMRC and throw it at her - they sound like they will go after her - and if she's doing that then what else is she doing? Wonder how many colleagues are about to discover they are on temp contracts that they are not aware of for example...

Might take a while for the money to be in your bank account but hopefully they will ensure that you get everything you are owed.

Lougle · 26/06/2019 08:20

Whether her previous contracts were fixed term or permanent is irrelevant. It doesn't affect her maternity rights.

Lougle · 26/06/2019 08:24

One question, though. If you had your previous baby in 2018 (I'm sorry that your baby was stillborn, that's so hard) then presumably you were entitled to maternity leave for that pregnancy. Did your employer pay maternity leave ok then? Why is this time different?

MrsJackRackham · 26/06/2019 08:37

Your entitlement to SMP is based on your national insurance contributions not a contract which btw can be written, verbal or implied. Give HMRC employer helpline a call 0300 200 3200, although they deal with things from an employer's view they can give you advice on taking things forward. She doesn't have a leg to stand on, good luck.

coffeeforone · 26/06/2019 08:47

So sorry about your loss OP. Did you get your SMP then as you were entitled to it?

ACAS are the best people to help you here. Please don't back down and good luck

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