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dumping of building waste on agricultural land

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AmIAWeed · 21/01/2019 09:11

I added this yesterday to Property and it was suggested I would get more luck with advice here.
We have a small holding is next to us, they are replacing the house roof and dumping all of the waste on the land that backs onto our property - the huge pile of rubble looks delightful from my living room! We have a stock proof hedge between us and at this time of year it's practically see through! I know give it 4 months or so for the hedge to green up and I wont see it as much, but in the mean time is there anything stopping them from dumping this waste?
There are no planning applications in to suggest they are storing this as hardcore ahead of building work so it looks like I'll be staring at rubble for quite some time sad
so much for an idyllic rural home!

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BubblesBuddy · 21/01/2019 09:44

Oh dear! I have huge sympathy for you. If you look around you will see many farming people dump and others who on their own land! Sad but true! It’s not neighbourly and it’s unsightly. I don’t have to go far to see old farm implements, dilapidated bits of buildings and general farm rubbish just lying about in fields. One farmer buried all his old metal bits of equipment in a field near me. It will excite metal detector users in years to come!

However I think you could contact the local council and ask for advice. You could approach your neighbour and ask what they plan to do with the rubble, but don’t be surprised if it’s nothing! I’m very sorry but that’s often the reality in the countryside.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 21/01/2019 09:47

They can store it on their own land for up to 12 months without needing any sort of license or registration, see here.

MotorcycleMayhem · 21/01/2019 09:51

Is there any possibility it is asbestos material? Report it to the Environment Agency and ask them to investigate.

AmIAWeed · 21/01/2019 11:06

Thank you all - Looks like they can leave it there for 12 months though.

We really do not get on with our neighbours so asking them is out of the question.
They have done multiple things which have affected lots of neighbours all of whom have complained so I prefer to check what can/can't be done before phoning the council or reporting them. The boy that cried wolf and all that, As it is they are already on the radar of the enforcement team who are investigating them in conjunction with the heritage team due to changes to the grade 2 listed field (that they are now dumping rubble on)
motorcycle it is primarily roof tiles which I believe from their lawful change application (property is listed) were from the 70's so not sure if asbestos was used on roof tiles??

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MotorcycleMayhem · 21/01/2019 11:37

Yes, asbestos was used in roof tiles of that age. They will likely appear to be greyish in colour by now, and look fibrous or like cement, rather than like slates if you see what I mean.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 21/01/2019 11:42

They could potentially be asbestos tiles. There were some artificial slate tiles that used asbestos.

The other thing I meant to say was that it does depend on whether it is classed as commercial or domestic waste. If it is domestic then there are less stringent criteria. Basically, as long as it is not an environmental hazard then there isn't a lot you can complain about. You could try and argue for loss of amenity but that might be tricky being a farm, and would be a long process to go through with the council.

AmIAWeed · 21/01/2019 12:13

hummm well yes the tiles are grey looking but they do have professional roofers in and none are wearing any PPE, certainly not respiratory so I am as confident as I can be they aren't asbestos. If it were them doing it I may have concerns....
They have told us numerous times they are building stables and a riding school so I am relatively confident the rubble is going to stay there until they get planning and use it as hardcore, or they'll plough it into the field as they did further up when they levelled out all the ridges and furrows, which marked out the pre-conquest church outline and is the reason for the grade 2 listing.
Although that in itself is a battle as the land is agricultural not equestrian, planning have told us as the field is listed grade 2 they wont get change of use ... although I have little faith in our planning team actually enforcing or sticking with what they say, which is why I'm fighting the urge of sticking a fence up to hide what they are doing as I know I can grow the hedge far taller than the 2 metres I can fence which would be better longer term.

Sigh - I seem to go round in circles, every time they do something it impacts everyone around them, they don't care and if you speak to them their stock answer is 'its our land we'll do what the f* we like.
I miss the days it was used for cattle and then silage and we could watch the barn owl hunt. I think this is one of those things I need to look past and ignore

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BubblesBuddy · 22/01/2019 17:27

As far as I’m aware, you can put horses on any land without a change in planning. It’s a farm and they are livestock.

However, running a stables is different. But, it’s often approved for farms to become equine businesses.

It’s totally wrong that they ruined the ridge and furrow fields! That’s just appalling. Once ruined they are difficult to reinstate. Are fields listed? Not sure. Farmers can and do leave rubble all over the place. Farming seems to have diffrrent rules from other businesses! No one will chase this up and they will argue they will recycle it. However if you have very good reason to believe the tiles are asbestos, then contact the council. Don’t contact them to be vexatious though.

AmIAWeed · 23/01/2019 08:25

BubblesBuddy I totally agree about not being vexatious - As much as I dislike them I fully appreciate there is no point wasting the time of a professional body because when there is a genuine issue they wont pay attention.
I have reread the plans and they state the tiles are concrete so asbestos is not the way to go.

In terms of it being a farm....years ago it was a farm, the house is called XXXXX farm however the land was sold off piecemeal and is now a private non commercial house with less than 10 acres. For years it was rented to a farmer, with the house sale though the new owners put their horses on it.
They've done a very bad job of it, the land was not suitable for horses and thankfully they moved them before one broke a leg, since then they have slowly slowly been flattening the land, fitted metal security fencing around (yes really, no post and rail 2 metre high metal prison fencing!!)
Planning have said until they put a stable up they still consider the land agricultural, IF a stable goes up then they would have to apply for change of use before hand. A stable I don't have an issue with, a riding school, menage etc I do. We have a bungalow on a wide but narrow plot so anyone looking over the hedge can see into 2 bedrooms, lounge, kitchen, utility and all privacy is lost. No issue when it is agricultural or even just horses grazing, but a person riding a horse would not be ok to me.
That's why we have left our hedge in place as we know we can grow this taller than the 2 metres limit on a fence or wall and we can only hope our hedge is tall enough before they get permission for any such changes (assuming they get the permission)
Part of that meant giving the hedge the best chance so ripping out the weeds and bramble at the base that has been suffocating the hedge so sadly its a very thin looking hedge. I should say we've only lived her a few years and the poor old lady before us couldn't cope with the garden so instead of pretty garden hedge we have strangled hedge fence!!
sorry I'm whittling....
In summary, knobs next door - not a working farm, dumping rubbish, their plans will run any chance of quiet enjoyment of my own home and everything they do upsets me.
All other neighbours are amazing, home offers fantastic scope for coping throughout all changes in life, granny anexe for kids when young adults, then for elderly parents blah blah dream home other than these people.
sob, I'll enjoy the rubble, means there's no riding school whilst it's there!

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BubblesBuddy · 25/01/2019 00:56

If they run the stables as a business, that’s the change of use. I own a house with 8 acres of fields and I have two horses in the paddocks. I don’t own the horses. I can put whatever livestock I want in my paddocks. What I cannot do is start a livery business with stables without pp. There is a difference. However, I’d be surprised if they didn’t get pp. Horse businesses are likely to get pp. However 10 acres won’t take many horses turned out. I’m really not sure how you can prevent this happening. People using in a ménage are not really going to be looking at your windows. More likely they will be looking where they are going.

Actually a hedge should not be taller than 2 m either - High hedges act. Plant lots of trees. Get sheer blinds. Object to the siting of the ménage!

LeBot · 10/01/2025 17:16

Builders keep dumping all their waste along our lane to our neighbours farm. It is now mountain high and right on the edge of the curb. As well as being a complete eyesore every time I drive through my car gets covered in muck! Also I’ve had two punctures since they’ve been doing this.
I find it so unneighbourly not to consider other residents apart from the fact that if you have your house up for sale it’s a very bad first impression. Does anyone else have this problem?

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