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Broke court access papers

17 replies

Nicegirl0101 · 04/09/2018 16:11

Hi. I live in isleworth. Anyone know a criminal lawyer that does legal aid as well. Im in need of help... i broke it with good reason.

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Singlenotsingle · 04/09/2018 16:14

Your local CAB will be able to tell you

prh47bridge · 04/09/2018 17:50

If you mean you broke an order regarding contact arrangements for your child that is not a criminal matter.

Nicegirl0101 · 04/09/2018 19:33

Im classed as criminal fot breaking it. I need a lawyer

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prh47bridge · 04/09/2018 19:44

Have you been charged with an offence? If so, what is the charge?

prh47bridge · 04/09/2018 19:45

And no, you are not classed as a criminal just for breaking a contact order. Either there is something else going on or you have misunderstood the situation.

Taylor22 · 04/09/2018 19:47

OP. I can see you're upset but you are blowing things way out of proportion.
This is a civil matter.
Are you being taken back to court?
Was the relationship a violent one? In Amman places now you won't be eligible for legal aid unless you can prove DV.

Nicegirl0101 · 04/09/2018 23:20

So y r the solicitors im seeing, saying i need see a ctiminal lawyer cause i broke it, i need a criminal lawyer to verify why i broke it. The order states i am in breach if i dnt comply an can do community service. Prison of fined.

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Nicegirl0101 · 04/09/2018 23:26

Yea we had violent rows but this was frm start till 11 yrs later when little one was 4yrs old an we split. Hos wife now has harrassed me threatened me phiscslly put her hands on my son verbally abused hom an social an police have never done anything apart frm three harrassment orders on her. One on him an to not be bias the police issued me with one for reply to them both. This situ stinks. I stopped hom last week going cause he broke woth wife for 7weeks or so went on sep holidays . Her with thier son an hers frm another rel an he went abroad with mjne seprately. But last werk i found out he was gonna collect little one a take kids an her n hom to park. Her son frm other rel told little one via xbox chat that they were goinv out. He isnt even flesh an blood an he knws what my son dnt. An frm bathroom he shouted im not sering her i dnt want to go. So i broke order. But ive btoken it numerous times in 6 yrs he bern gone. For variois reasons an now he is single an living with bro with no wife or kids abt .. he thinks its time yo go coirt to punksh me for doing it. But ive been threatened by jim an her an his family numerous times over the yrs. Now he dongle an lonely he is starting court proceedings.

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Collaborate · 04/09/2018 23:27

You need to be far clearer in your posts if people are to help here.

My guess is that you have breached an order.

All orders contain a warning about the consequences of breach. It is a potential contempt of court. Enforcement is a civil matter, and you'll need a family lawyer. You therefore either need to understand better the advice you've been given (and the situation you're in), or find a new lawyer because the one you've got is useless.

Nicegirl0101 · 04/09/2018 23:36

I cant get anyone to help. Social. School policr. Have always looked at me like im jealous. But its no way like that an hasnt been 4 yrs. Since i seen his true colours an backed her after he attacks on me an son. Its like he blaming me 4 the split so to pay me back he takes me to court. Im svared the judge wont see my way 4 what we both been through with them i need a lawyer to help me. Ive wrked 9days straight this weekend i was up an wrking at 530 sat an sun on my weekend off. No one can see in authority im doing my dam hardest to give my son the life i never had. Just o ur jealous of them. I stopped him when it was needed. I protected my son. Unlike him when he stood by her side whilst she would grab at him or shout at him. I met a social worker to get her to listen to me. An even she said no right she isnt his mother. If ur 100% in ur sons life. Theres no need for her. But ive had calls ftm her ssying im his step mum il do what i like. So when needed ive blocked contact. Also im single working mum an i do school runs. He never collects or drops. An if its been his weekend. He drops to me at 7am to do school run. He told lil one he cant go full custody cause cant drop to school at 7am. Ive had to find a job that gits around single parenting. Just cause he a bloke he cant???

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Collaborate · 05/09/2018 07:52

Is there anyone you know who can help you word your problem in a way that can be understood? I'm not having a go. I just can't make sense of what you are writing.

AdoreTheBeach · 05/09/2018 08:06

OP, take three deep slow breaths and then start again. Clearly you’re very upset but it is interfering with your writing, making it very difficult to understand what your issues are. Please use full words and full stops.

A little background to the relationship, court action, court order then how and why you breached the court order would help get the advice you’re looking for.

prh47bridge · 05/09/2018 08:41

Your posts are very difficult to follow. However, it seems you have broken an order over contact and your ex is taking you to court to have the order enforced. That is not a criminal case. You do not need a criminal lawyer.

I have to say that some of your complaints are unrealistic. Like it or not, his wife was your son's step mother (I think, if I understand you correctly, they are now separated). Her children knowing what they were going to do before you and your son found out is normal. After all, they were a family. They would discuss what their plans as a family even though they affected your son. If she was abusing your son or placing him at risk of abuse that would be justification for getting the contact order changed. Many parents shout at and grab their children. Unless her behaviour went well beyond normal parenting you could not do anything about it.

If your solicitor says you need a criminal lawyer because your husband is taking you to court to enforce contact you need another solicitor. You don't need a criminal lawyer. This is not a criminal case. It is a civil case.

You say you have broken the contact order numerous times. That is not good. If this is the first time he has applied for enforcement I wouldn't worry about it too much. But, going forward, you should either comply with the order or go back to court to get it changed.

worridmum · 06/09/2018 15:41

Are you confusing two issues? The broken court order is not a criminal offense BUT if you say it was a violent altercation are the police perusing you for assault or the such like?

And you simply misunderstood your solicitor, breaking a court order is not normally a criminal offense, unless a court ordered you for example to remain in the UK and instead you decided to go to another country (to live i mean not simply a holiday). That could be classed as criminal. But other then that no its not a criminal offense.

NorthernSpirit · 06/09/2018 15:51

It’s very difficult to follow your post and decifer the problem.

Full stops, paragraphs and the use of full words would help.

Contact orders are awarded in the family courts and are a civil matter.

Judges do not like it when their orders are breached / broken. I can’t make out why you didn’t make the children available but suggest you reinstate contacr before you make matters worse.

My OH’s EW kept breaching their contact order. Last time the judge threatened to take the children off her, so be very careful.

Nicegirl0101 · 06/09/2018 21:44

Im worried sick. Court order says prison. Fine. Community service. Picking up litter lol 4 protecting my son. He is angry his relationship. Marriage. Broke down cause i kept stopping son going over 6 yrs. Now all a sudden it bothers enough to file agaonst me. Social kept closing reports saying im fine an lil one is fine. An then never following up on them two. More worried abt how i look after him than how shes grabbed an verbal to son. Now i face court for trying my best to look out 4 little one. I find out today he is going back to her. An im guessing its her pulling strings if he dont take me to court he cant go back to her. He is taking me to court to save whst they have. He will see me fined, locked up, or cleaning streets to protect his own life. Im fcuked .

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prh47bridge · 06/09/2018 22:20

Those are the penalties that can be imposed. However, if it is the first time he has gone to court to enforce the order you are very unlikely to face any of the more serious penalties. But simply not complying with the order will get you into further trouble. You must either comply with the order or apply to get it changed. Your latest post suggests you have regularly breached the order for 6 years. That is not good. If you carry on you could indeed end up facing the more serious penalties.

You seem to be very hung up on your ex's new partner. She is your ex's partner. If they are together she will be acting as your son's stepmother when your son is with them. She is entitled to treat your son the same way she treats her own children. If her actions amount to child abuse the courts will listen but they will not stop contact just because she occasionally shouts at and grabs your son. You need to start being realistic.

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