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Greenwich/Rotherham Judgements - where to find them online?

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Flabbergastric · 07/08/2017 21:22

School admissions related texts often refer to these two judgements:

  1. Greenwich Judgement (R v Greenwich London Borough Council, ex parte John Ball Primary School (1989) 88 LGR 589 [1990] Fam Law 469) which held that pupils should not be discriminated against in relation to admission to the school simply because they reside outside the local authority area in which the school is situated.
  1. Rotherham Judgement 1997 which said that catchment areas that coincided with borough boundaries are allowed.

I've read third party descriptions of these online, but I'd like to read the judgements themselves. Does anyone know where I might find the full text online?

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prh47bridge · 10/08/2017 23:22

Therefore isn't the SSAFA and the SAC the authority on these issues and do they make the cases pretty much irrelevant now

One would think so. However, the Admissions Code still refers to the Greenwich judgement and some admission authorities still refer to one or both judgements in their admission arrangements. Training for appeals panels frequently includes at least the Greenwich judgement. They seem thoroughly ingrained in the system.

Lucysky2017 · 11/08/2017 07:30

(childm, on the court system access etc it is much better than it was. One reason I could set up my law firm on my own was because of the internet and so much now being free. You can sue on line. You can download all the court forms you need. You can often email courts and i didn't need a huge loads of subscriptions to paper (or on line) law reports and most of the important cases you need are on line,. In fact if you go on the Supreme Court website not only are all their hearings now streamed live but you can download all their judgments and what I am happy to admit I find extremely useful the much shorter court summary of the case -that is Supreme Court.
We may well move to everything people file which is counted as public being downloadable as in the US, when/if tax payers agree to pay a lot more tax to fund it in due course.
I used to own and run a set of law reports - a very small set and we had to decide which cases to report and then pay people to write the summaries ( a very skilled task most lawyers could not do) and then put the cases in the printed reports.)

PersianCatLady · 11/08/2017 12:38

LucySky2017
Are you in the USA??

Flabbergastric · 11/08/2017 13:33

I managed to find a write-up about the Rotherham Judgement in The Independent: www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/law-report-policy-must-allow-expression-of-parental-preference-1296353.html

Their online archive doesn't go back far enough for the Greenwich Judgement though.

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Lucysky2017 · 11/08/2017 15:57

No, the UK. I sometimes have to find US court documents and a lot more seems to be easily available on line.

Flabbergastric · 12/08/2017 09:46

Bodleian Law Library have said they can provide the docs (presumably hardcopy) for £15 each.

Also chasing up the university law library suggestion and that's looking promising. They say I can get access to LexisLibrary for the Rotherham Judgement and Knights Local Government reports for the Greenwich Judgement.

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Lucysky2017 · 12/08/2017 21:10

That's good. I think the Government should set up a website site saying where you can get things from - latest court fees, court forms (okay you can already find that on google but all on one easy to find page woudl help), supreme court website for supreme court judgments, CA judgment, link to the voluntary bailli published judgments www.bailii.org/ and also let people know what is not available on line so they know. Even I as a lawyer find it hard sometimes to know what will be available and what not, what documents in a case are in public and on the record and which are not.

PerryMasonsFriend · 17/08/2017 13:46

I don't really know why I'm bothering since I actually looked up the case above, posted a bit of the judgment and citations and didn't get so much as an acknowledgment . . . but in the spirit of community: -

I think the Government should set up a website site saying where you can get things from - latest court fees, court forms (okay you can already find that on google but all on one easy to find page woudl help)

The Delia Venables website is good for single point lists of legal information. It looks old fashioned but it is easy to use.

Free case law information:

www.venables.co.uk/caselaw.htm

This is the home page which divides into info for public/lawyers/companies.

www.venables.co.uk/

You need to be a bit careful because some of the best info is actually in the lawyers section. The case law link above is in the lawyers section.

This the education law link:
www.venables.co.uk/individc.htm#education

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