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Feeling so isolated, any advice welcome

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FourLittleBirds · 25/06/2017 23:16

I am sorry for such a long post, I’m trying not to drip feed but only a couple of people know about this apart from the police, it’s been emotional but good to get it all down. Thank you for taking the time to hear me.

Just under two years ago I went to a school charity function on a Friday evening. As I was walking out of the venue in a crowd of people I was hit hard down the back with a spiked stick that made me stumble forwards (I managed not to fall) the stick marked my back and broke the skin. It was really painful and I was in total shock. I turned and put my hand up to shield myself in case another blow was coming I saw a man scurry past and look back at me carrying the stick in his hand.
There was a woman alongside me, I said to her, ‘did you see who hit me? Is that your husband?’, She replied, ‘no he’s not my husband’. I was visibly upset, I felt so humiliated and embarrassed.
I saw the man who had just hit me go towards a minibus and get on with the woman I had previously spoken to. I don’t know what gave me the strength but I walked to the minibus (I must have been in shock because I don't do confrontation) and opened the door and asked him why he had done it, why did he hit me so hard. I was crying, he said nothing. The man in front of him (I later found out to be his best friend shouted aggressively in my face to f…. off several times. The woman I spoke to previously is the wife of his best friend (the man who was swearing at me) I was then shouted and sworn at by the carpark security man as he said I was holding the bus up and it needed to be off site - the door was then slammed in my face. Sadly, the minibus was full of parents I knew from school, all of them sat and said nothing, no-one even asked if I was Ok. I was crying and in pain. I didn't know at that point how bad the injury was on my back I just knew it really hurt and I wasn't sure if it was bleeding.

I did not know the man, I’d never seen him before, he was drunk. I don’t think he was targeting me personally - I think he was trying to hit a woman hard across the bottom and get away with it by running into the crowd, and he hit me too hard. The taxi driver wanted to take me to hospital but I was so humiliated, embarrassed and in pain I just wanted to go home, I couldn’t sit down in the taxi. At home my husband looked at my back and it had a long dark red welt line down my back and above my buttock and had broken the skin in the middle. My husband looked after me and took some photos.
I felt so ashamed and in pain, in fact I cried all night. The next day, Saturday afternoon I went to see a friend and she was able to find out who the man was. She saw my back was in and urged me to report it to the police. I wasn’t sure about reporting it but supported by my husband I went to the police on the Monday morning and made a statement. I went down the restorative justice route. The police looked at the mark down my back and had a copy of the photos my husband had taken. The mark on my back took over 10 days to fade.

The man was given a letter by the police inviting him to attend the station. He took his legal team with him. He denied the assault initially but a witness came forward as they were concerned about what they had seen and the force of the hit. The man was interviewed under police caution and he apologised for his behaviour and his actions. The matter was recorded as a crime, actual bodily harm.

Since that time my life in this village has been unpleasant and oppressive. I see his wife most days now on the school run (his wife was sitting on the minibus) his children attend the same school as mine, we live in the same village. This man is an extremely wealthy business man, important in the area and the wider community and he is involved in lots of high profile business projects. He is powerful, has an enormous house, a fleet of cars and has lots of connections and kudos.

Since the incident I have kept a dignified silence about it at the school gate. I spoke to the school and I requested that we could liaise over school events/productions hoping I can attend on a different night/time so I can avoid him and his wife. I feel maybe they have viewed my silence as weakness and they and their friends treat me with contempt. Not long after the assault, his best friend tried to shove me with his elbow when I came out of the toilet at a cafe, I get long stares and dirty looks. Last weekend I was in a local beer garden and he was there with his family. I sat as far away as I could with my family I wanted to leave but we were there with friends and felt stuck. They did a variety of things that made me and my family feel very uncomfortable like, mimicking my husbands words when he spoke, staring at us, standing watching my children play, walking backwards and forwards past our table when they has the whole garden. Saying things like, ‘careful you will get a poke’ out loud several times ( they were not going to poke me but saying it to mock me and to play down what he did, that he only poked me) talking across the garden to each other across our table. His wife will cross the road on the school run so she can walk past me as close as possible. My husband persuaded me to report this low level harassment to the police several days ago as it was making me feel so uncomfortable. The police seemed very disinterested, but did say they would go to see him and advise him and his wife to stop this behaviour. The officer did say they would let me know the outcome of this meeting. I did not hear back from the police (I still haven’t) but the very next day I got a hand delivered letter from the man’s solicitor. It was a horrible letter turning everything around at me - accusing me of: harassing him and his wife; my unjustified complaints to the police; damages for slander; I should not doubt his resolve; The letter said that the police have made it clear they will not be pursuing the matter (the matter being him harassing me)

This horrible letter has left me reeling, I feel, powerless, scared, intimidated, worried. I haven’t done anything wrong, he assaulted me, it was witnessed and he’s determined to make me pay for reporting his assault to the police. Part of me now wishes I should have just let him hit me and let him drive away on that minibus.

I don’t have the capacity to defend myself against this man in terms of money, resources, knowledge, time. I’m exhausted of worrying about it all the time, I don’t have the energy to go forward. I do feel intimidated and bullied. I feel powerless to help myself and this makes me hate myself for being so weak. I feel so very lonely as people have disassociated and distanced themselves from me, I seem to be marked as some kind of troublemaker, a weird woman.
I’ve lost my faith in the system, as I don’t feel important - no-one seems that interested. The sense of worthlessness is making me introverted and depressed. I just want to run away - the part of me that stood up to this man in the first place has since shrivelled up and been stamped on.

My job involves me working in a helping and caring capacity, working mostly end of life care and dementia, I help others I am not used to this nasty, cruel game - I don’t know how to play it, I can't play it. I have spent my nights lying awake worrying and annoyingly feeling sorry for myself.

Mumsnet has supported me in the past when I had my miscarriages, so I’m back once more to ask for your advice and words of wisdom - or just a sounding board to tell you my story after being silent for so long. I can’t go on like this, it’s ruining my life.
Should I get a solicitor? How do I move forward? Thank you for reading.

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Imissmy0ldusername · 25/06/2017 23:23

Hi OP, I can't advise you legally, but I wanted to bump this in case more experienced people could help - your situation sounds awful. Do you have any kind of insurance which may give you some legal cover? May be worth investigating.
Flowers

sandgrown · 25/06/2017 23:26

Don't get involved in a tit for tat row via solicitors as it will cost you a fortune. He was in the wrong and is trying to make you feel uncomfortable. Will your children be moving school soon so you don't have to see as much of this couple? You have no reason to feel worthless but if this behaviour continues could you consider moving to another area?

RaspberryBeretHoopla · 25/06/2017 23:29

Oh, OP, how absolutely horrible for you. So sorry to hear that you are going through this and your feelings are all perfectly rational.

I don't know how to help, I'm sorry. It just wanted to offer some support. Flowers

FourLittleBirds · 25/06/2017 23:33

Thank you for your replies. My kids are going to be at school with his for some time. I have spoken to my husband about just packing up and leaving, we've spent a lot of time and energy making a life and a lovely little home for ourselves here but this is just too much for me. Probably for the best if I went.

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ColdCottage · 25/06/2017 23:44

You poor thing. This is so horrible and so clearly bulling.

Have you looked to see if there are any charities that can offer different advise for the bullying as well as the mental support you need from the strain of this?

Albadross · 26/06/2017 00:09

OP what utter bastards to do that to you! I feel enraged on your behalf and if it were me I'd no way back down - but I realise the outcome is likely to be worse that way. I hate that the system doesn't protect people the way it should. Don't doubt yourself - he's rattled because he knows he did wrong and is clearly afraid and so trying to shut you down Flowers

FourLittleBirds · 26/06/2017 12:17

Thanks you for your reply and reading my long post.
I was thinking of contacting a number on the Rights of Women website to get some advice - has anyone used them before? I will also speak with the citizen's advice. Having been let down in the past I feel this is a battle I can't win. I know if I was a man he would never have hit me in the first place. It's so unfair.

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hollygolipo · 26/06/2017 13:12

You poor thing - this is horrible. The solicitors letter is not worth the paper its written on - anyone can ask a solicitor to write such a letter, but it holds no legal weight; you could easily send him the same thing. However, I agree its not worth engaging - but I would suggest you show the police the letter and ask for confirmation and an explanation as to why they've decided not to follow up; they may have a different version of events. Good luck and don't let this upset you too much (easy to say I know) - he sounds like a vile bully and no doubt behaves like this towards others as well.

FourLittleBirds · 26/06/2017 16:15

Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to reply - for that I am truly grateful, to finally have put it all down in writing and to have people on my side has made me feel heard and has made me feel a little better. Thank you x

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Freddystarshamster · 26/06/2017 16:34

I’ve lost my faith in the system, as I don’t feel important - no-one seems that interested

In all honesty, that's because the second incident(s) wasn't really a police matter. You were absolutely right to report the assault (the guy sounds a right dick ) but the other stuff? The police can't force people not to be arseholes.

They did a variety of things that made me and my family feel very uncomfortable like, mimicking my husbands words when he spoke, staring at us, standing watching my children play, walking backwards and forwards past our table when they has the whole garden. Saying things like, ‘careful you will get a poke’ out loud several times ( they were not going to poke me but saying it to mock me and to play down what he did, that he only poked me) talking across the garden to each other across our table. His wife will cross the road on the school run so she can walk past me as close as possible

Read that again from a police perspective. What honestly do you expect? The behaviour is incredibly juvenile, but illegal? It's shit but the police aren't a magic wand in this situation

Falconhoof1 · 26/06/2017 16:48

This is truly horrible. I am so sorry you're going through this. I actually think the harassment they are putting you through now should be a police matter. Although I understand it's hard for them to deal with, especially as he is turning the tables on you. I have no good advice because as someone else said they are arseholes. Nasty vindictive arseholes. It seems a shame that you feel like you might have to leave your nice home. Sorry, no advice but best wishes for you. Xxx

Meandyouandyouandme · 26/06/2017 19:33

I too think the harassment should be a police matter, the man is a bully and hopes to intimidate you into withdrawing your statement to the police, if that is even possible now though, I don't know. It's such a bizarre thing for him to do, the initial asssult, I mean, who does something like that with loads of witnesses. He's probably scared people before, so no one dare speak up for you. But I do applaud you for standing up to him, and so sorry that it's causing such distress for you.

I've no proper advice, I just wanted to add that I hope that they get tired of harassing you and that you don't have to move away, as why should you Flowers

GinSwigmore · 26/06/2017 19:45

Freddy I don't agree with you, sorry. It all builds up as a picture and that includes invading body space and intimating violent consequences/repeat behaviour. OP log it all. I would also return to the police with the copy of that letter so they have it on record he thinks he is above the law.
I am so sorry for you love. People do not realise the drip effect of such behaviour. It is a form of mobbing and should not be tolerated.
I would apply for a restraining order against the pair of them.

FourLittleBirds · 26/06/2017 21:44

Thank you Ginswigmore. I do think he thinks believes he is above the law. The police told me that when they sent him the letter to summon him to the police station over the assault he refused to go. He was then made to go and that's when he took his legal team. The policeman said he was very arrogant man and if my husband had done that to his wife he would have taken us to the cleaners no doubt. He is surrounded by 'yes' people and he is used to getting his own way, that's why so many people around here are scared of him and won't be seen to support me in anyway.

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GinSwigmore · 26/06/2017 21:53

That I can believe. Fuck him. You really have to take that approach sweetheart. Fuck him, fuck his wife, fuck all the sycophants. Rise above and live well. But do, do keep a log, just in case. Slander my dimpled behind. Such a cock.

Groovee · 26/06/2017 21:59

You poor thing OP Flowers

He sounds like a bully!

Freddystarshamster · 26/06/2017 22:03

It doesn't work like that Gin

Those actions would not amount to a course of conduct anywhere near the threshold test for harassment. Why would the police need a copy of the letter? It's not going to make the blindest bit of difference.

Meandyou From what the OP says the assault has already been dealt with. His actions have nothing to do with intimidating her to withdraw the statement. He's just a twat.

fourlittlebirds I'm surprised the officers allowed RJ for that level of injury. Did you specifically ask for that? I'd charge him for that all day long if that was reported to me

Thankyouforthemusic · 26/06/2017 22:14

Do go back to the police OP. If he was cautioned initially perhaps the police can reopen it or call him in again for questioning. At the very least they must log it. I hate bullying and I wish I could help you stand up to him. Also go and see citizen's advice and as someone else suggested, do you have legal expenses cover or helpline on your home insurance?

FourLittleBirds · 26/06/2017 22:27

Thanks for your replies.
Freddy - being at the police station was overwhelming for me. At that point I knew he was a dad at the school and had kids there. I didn't want to make things hard for him, I just wanted him to acknowledge and admit to what he had done and an apology. I didn't want to ruin his life from what was a stupid drunken moment of pure madness. That's why I went the restorative justice route. Now I can see I was naive and misguided. He is a cruel, bully of a man determined to ruin my quality of life. Looking back maybe I should have taken it further considering it was witnessed and the physical injuries.

Thankyouforthemusic - thank you I will go to CB and look into my insurance

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Freddystarshamster · 26/06/2017 22:36

Do go back to the police OP. If he was cautioned initially perhaps the police can reopen it or call him in again for questioning

They can't. The incident was resolved through restorative justice. The further issues that OP reports are not criminal, they have no grounds to interview. A non molestation order however, maybe an idea

Freddystarshamster · 26/06/2017 22:38

fourlittlebirds Shame, shows what an arse he is to throw that back in your face

FourLittleBirds · 26/06/2017 23:48

Freddy - Thanks for that, I've never heard of that but I will look into it.
Maybe that could be a way forward. Thank you.

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NotMyPenguin · 27/06/2017 00:02

I am really really sorry. This sounds like a horrible situation and also one that affects your life on a daily basis.

From my own experience of a totally different kind of harassment (involving police, lawyers, and court) I am actually going to go against the crowd here and recommend that you think seriously about moving and getting yourself out of this awful situation. It sounds as if this person is quite well-informed and that their money gives them easy access to legal advice, and while everything they've done recently has been deeply nasty, it hasn't actually been illegal.

Knowing what I know now, I truly believe that although you may be morally in the right, it is more important to take care of yourself than to fight a difficult and uncertain battle with an abusive and powerful person.

Please don't feel you have to keep fighting. You know you are in the right, so does your husband, and so will other people in your life who matter and care about you. The most important thing is your sanity and your family life. If you are able to move without losing out too much (e.g. schools, house, commute, quality of life -- and I know these are big things to consider) then I would seriously consider it as potentially a more effective and quick way of ending the situation.

MinorRSole · 27/06/2017 00:15

I would move. Maybe it isn't the right way to handle it but who cares, a fresh start will let you relax without dealing with this day in/day out. I hope that is an option for you

Freddystarshamster · 27/06/2017 00:29

fourlittlebirds I'm really sorry, I've double checked and a non mol wouldn't apply in your case. You could however still try and take it to civil court for a harassment injunction, I wouldn't have a clue on the cost of that to be honest