Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Legal matters

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you have any legal concerns we suggest you consult a solicitor.

Placing child in foster care

35 replies

MongooseOfDoom · 20/11/2015 19:07

Hello everyone and thanks in advance for the replies. I am a long-term poster but have name-changed for this one as it's a bit sensitive. Apologies in advance as it might be long.

The situation is that my dd age 13 has been suffering from mental health/behavioural problems for some years. I have been round and round for the last four years trying to get help via the GP, school, CAMHS, voluntary self-referral to SS, youth charities, police youth offending team, anyone I can think of. However, dd flatly refuses to engage or have anything to do with anyone who could offer any help.

Despite all this, due to her refusal to talk or participate in any assessments, she has no formal diagnosis.

Her father is not involved in her life due to his abusive behaviour in the past to her, me and my son, although my daughter has made much more serious allegations about him than me or my son have. I think it is very very likely that she is traumatised by his abuse.

Her behaviour is becoming more and more difficult and challenging. She has just come out of hospital after admission to a specialist in-patient unit after her second overdose this year. She has been refusing school since February and is now on the verge of being expelled. She is getting increasingly violent, to me, my elderly parents and my son who is younger than she is.

The worst incident was in July when she pulled a knife on me and my son. She was arrested for breach of the peace but the police did not take charges forward. I report all violent incidents to the police but this isn't doing anything to deter her.

I am worried sick about the effect on my son. He has had a lot to cope with in his life but has got through it all so far, until the knife incident. Since then, he has become much more withdrawn, lacks enthusiasm for doing things with his friends, and since dd came out of hospital he won't sleep in his own bed in case she comes in to his room in the night, frequently cries himself to sleep and basically, like me, he is just plain scared of her.

I have been saying to years to anyone who will listen that I cannot keep my son (and myself) safe whilst my daughter is at home. I am also not able to keep her safe in terms of her self-harming and dangerous behaviour. I have asked several times for temporary foster care for her to give us all some breathing space and maybe help her to manage her behaviour if she is somewhere where she feels she can't physically bully people. However, even after the knife incident social services have refused to help. They told me when she was in police custody that I had to find someone else to take her or else have her back home, and eventually I managed to find a friend who took her for a couple of days but then she destroyed property and stole money so that came to an end. I begged social services to help but they told me that because I was voluntarily asking for foster care then I would have to pay in excess of £350 a week for this, which I simply cannot afford.

Despite all these ongoing issues, SS closed our case in September. I believe that officially it's opened up again due to the overdose, but no-one has made contact.

Today, the youth offending worker told me that SS had not been straight with me about the legal position on getting some foster care for my daughter.

I cannot find a local solicitor who does free half hours to advise me what the position is. Does anyone on here know with certainty if there is any way I can get (free) foster care for dd due to her behaviour towards my son?

Many thanks in advance, and if you recognise me from this please don't say anything to identify me.

OP posts:
lougle · 20/11/2015 20:12

Tbh the very sad thing is that although this behaviour seems very extreme to you, it probably doesn't stand out at all from the 'norm' of SS referrals. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of children out there just like your DD.

SS are doing their best to convince you that you are the only person who can accommodate your daughter. If you said 'I won't let her in' they would have to house her somewhere.

Maryz · 20/11/2015 20:13

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

AtSea1979 · 20/11/2015 20:20

I agree the best possible way is to lock her out the house then phone the police when she tries to get in. Having said that, it will protect your son but it will be very traumatic for your daughter. Perhaps just keep repeating you love her and are doing it for her long term welfare.
Have you no friends/relatives etc who would be willing to have her with them for 6 months?
If she refuses to engage with them I'm guessing she will refuse to stay with a foster carer.

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 20/11/2015 20:27

We tried locking her out - for own safety, rather than as a calculated move - but SS and the police let her sleep in the recycling box at the end of the drive. She smashed the car windows. The police warned her that she'd never get a career with a criminal record like hers but they wouldn't press charges.

When she pushed someone else's child, a younger child, off a bridge into a river, she was arrested. I had to collect her, Social Services told me to attend and write that I refused to collect her. That appears to be common advice! The police refused to accept it. Eventually they called Social Services who sent a guardian to "mediate". She did nothing. The police eventually decided that me being present was enough, and the CI wrote down that he was releasing her into my care, and signed instead.

I was 16, so only just old enough to collect her anyway, and she was my sister, not my daughter.

Have you got the number for the emergency social services guardian? I'd get that, because I think it'll get worse before it gets better, but phoning them does build a record for the future even if they are as useless as a chocolate fireguard now. It's probably what got my sister her housing.

Whythehellnot · 20/11/2015 20:28

I am in exactly the same position as you with my dd of the same age.

I agree with others re the residential schools. There is little available for girls with her needs, it could be anywhere in the country, you will have to battle to get it and there will be issues over funding.

I will PM you.

Maryz · 20/11/2015 20:36

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

wannabestressfree · 20/11/2015 20:39

I have a thread on here from fourish years ago. I had to refuse to have my son home after he was removed by the police for attacking me with a carving knife.... Ss tried everything including saying I would have my tax credits removed Confused
I wanted help and he needed psychatric help....
He was taken to foster care for less than 48 hours, drank bleach and cut his legs open. He was sectioned and remained in hospital for two years....
He needed that help. I know if he had stayed in my house he would be dead. He is now 18 and going to uni next year....
I did the right thing. It was an awful awful time though....

stayblue · 20/11/2015 20:44

A friend had terrible problems with her dd, similar behaviours, and was able to get a residential placement to the New School, apparently it's got a great reputation for dealing with SEBD and by all accounts her dd has improved massively. It takes boys and girls and has specialist therapists, small classes, a full curriculum etc.

It took a long time to get the placement sorted, and her dd was in a psych unit before that. She had to have a statement before getting a place and ended up paying lawyers to get that in place as the council refused at first. Previous posters are right, the cost of these schools are hugely expensive (six figure sums, annually) but it has made the world of difference to friend's situation.

babybarrister · 21/11/2015 20:40

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MongooseOfDoom · 23/11/2015 12:36

Thank you so much everyone for your replies.

The residential school option sounds amazing, but I very much doubt that she would be offered something like that because she is not bad enough. I will, though, investigate the statementing route via school, and see where that takes us - maybe that will open some doors for her. Will also investigate those organisations mentioned to see if they can help at all.

Thank you all again.

OP posts:
New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Swipe left for the next trending thread