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Probate/tenancy issue

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whattodoforthebest2 · 19/05/2014 18:27

I'm hoping someone can help me regarding a tenancy issue relating to my late father's estate. Apologies - this is a bit involved.

My brother and I are executors for my father's will. He died at Xmas. His house was left to us 4 children (DB, me and 2 sisters.) We wish to sell the property and it is currently let to a family. In Feb14 we visited the property to inspect it and requested copy tenancy and management agreements from the letting agents. They provided a copy tenancy agreement but the woman said they didn't have a copy of the management agreement as it was a rolling year-on-year arrangement with my DF.

Probate has now been received and I rang the managing agents on Friday, who first said they needed 3 months' notice on their agreement and on the tenancy agreement. They said they would send me a copy of the management agreement showing the terms (Hmm). They then rang back and said they would cancel the agreement forthwith and send us the deposit. No explanation.

Today they have emailed to say they have 'managed to find' a copy of the management agreement and that the terms still apply, ie they will manage until the property is sold.

Between Friday's conversation and today's email I have spoken to the tenants and emailed and given them two months' notice. I will also be putting this in writing. I have also asked them to pay into the executor's bank account future rent payments.

Can the agents just suddenly find the management agreement and insist we are bound by it when they've already confirmed otherwise? And must we continue with a management agreement we don't want - I live nearby and can manage it myself until it is sold. The agent is adamant that although as executors we can sell it, we can't cancel their management agreement as we are not the owners.

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specialsubject · 19/05/2014 18:53

as I understand it, two issues:

one is the tenancy (between landlord and tenant, NOT agency), where you are now the new landlords as the new owners of the property. The tenancy is unaffected by this change - so if it (for example) was for another six months with no break, you cannot evict the tenants if they do not breach the terms. They may of course be willing to negotiate on this.

If it is a 'rolling tenancy' (i.e. no written agreement) then you must give the tenants at least two months notice, to expire on the day the rent is normally paid. You should also reprotect the deposit NOW as otherwise you are at risk of getting sued for 3 times its value. You also need to ensure a current gas safe certificate if relevant - even if the tenants are about to leave.

second is the agreement between your late father and the agency, which is totally separate. I don't see how this can continue when one party to the agreement is deceased. Sounds like you may need legal advice on this one. (I'm not a lawyer, just a landlord)

a decent agency would advise you on notice and also on deposit protection. This lot do not sound good.

whattodoforthebest2 · 20/05/2014 10:23

Thank you for your thoughts, specialsubject. My concern is that if they'd provided a copy management agreement when I originally requested one, we'd have known the terms etc. It seems to be only now that I'm trying to cancel it that they've suddenly managed to find a copy which they say binds us to them until the property is sold.

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specialsubject · 20/05/2014 11:39

your concerns are understandable. Unless they can find a copy signed by your father then why should you believe them?

tell them that!

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