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Suspicious will - or does it sound acceptable?

23 replies

Sweetpea33 · 27/03/2014 13:49

Apologies for the vague-ness of this as it is my friend who has the possible problem .. not me.
His aunt recently died and he and his wife were the closest relatives (in the amount of time he spent looking after her and her house etc). The aunt often mentioned that they would get 'this, that & the other' when she died. It now seems that her latest will was written about 30 years ago and she leaves the bulk of her estate to her solicitor who drew up the will. He is now dead and it seems his offspring will inherit instead. There are also small provisions for her neighbours at that time (who she hasn't seen or been in contact with for over 25 years.

Perhaps I have a suspicious mind but it seems a little bit strange to me.

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Collaborate · 27/03/2014 14:19

I'm not sure that a solicitor is allowed to do that. Take some legal advice.

ajandjjmum · 27/03/2014 14:36

Do check it out. One of DH's aunts died having said that she had left something for various children - our own included. She'd actually told her brother (FIL) that she'd re-done her will the Christmas before she died. The will presented by the solicitors didn't portray what she'd said at all, but we felt that it would seem grabby to be pushing it. Furthermore, the solicitor wouldn't let her family have access to her house after she died, as he was protecting the charity she'd left most of her money to. Was all a bit odd, and I know that DH now wishes he'd explored further.

AntoinetteCosway · 27/03/2014 14:39

Does sound odd. I would think that it wasn't legal to leave the contents of your will to the person drawing it up...at the very least I'd expect that you have to have someone else in the firm draw it up. Was the solicitor a family member/friend?

AntoinetteCosway · 27/03/2014 14:40

(I am not a lawyer by the way-that is purely my assumption.)

Sweetpea33 · 27/03/2014 14:41

Thanks for responding Collaborate and ajandjjmum - I should have also said that he has either been left with a token amount or nothing rather than what his aunt had implied / promised. He does have access to the house and I have stressed that it is probably advisable to check all her paperwork for a more recent will.

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ErrolTheDragon · 27/03/2014 14:44

I'm not sure if it's illegal but sure as heck its unethical. I found this:
'The solicitor must act professionally and if he is likely to benefit under the Will he should have the Will drawn by a different solicitor to himself i.e. from a different firm.'

'All solicitors are bound by their rules of professional ethics as laid down by the Law Society's code of conduct/practice. If you have a grievance you should contact the Law Society. '

It seems like a case where a challenge to the will might well be successful - certainly worth pursuing.

Sweetpea33 · 27/03/2014 14:45

Antoinette - thanks - he certainly wasn't a family member and from what I understand he was the local solicitor at that time (did a conveyance previously - that sort of thing). She had a brother who has been left very little as well but her main relative to rely on was my friend and his wife.

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starfishmummy · 27/03/2014 14:59

A lot of people tell relatives they're mentioned in the will when they're not.

It does sound dlgu about the solicitor benefiting if he drew it up, but presumably whether it is would depend on the laws/professional ethics of the time.

And even if that will is overturned then your friend still might not benefit if there are closer relatives to inherit.

Sweetpea33 · 27/03/2014 15:12

Thanks Starfishmummy - but what does dlgu mean?

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poocatcherchampion · 27/03/2014 16:12

dodgy I expect!

Viviennemary · 27/03/2014 16:18

I agree that a lot of relatives do tell people you'll get this and that and it's not in the will. But I'd be very very suspicious of this will drawn up by a solicitor when he is the main beneficiary. I think your friend would get something if this was challenged. I'm not a legal person.

starfishmummy · 27/03/2014 19:38

Yes sorry dodgy!!

Nappaholic · 27/03/2014 21:22

Not an expert on "wills and probate" but you're welcome to my thoughts...

  1. Nothing illegal or improper about benefitting the will writer, as long as s/he doesn't witness the will.
  1. There IS such a thing as "proprietary estoppel" however. This is sometimes available where someone relies on a promise made by another, so that they are substantially "out of pocket" in financial or other terms...see this article for more info... You may need to cut and paste the link - not good at the tech bit!

www.step.org/proprietary-estoppel-looking-both-forward-and-back-after-thorner-v-major

Fantissue · 27/03/2014 21:51

Nappaholic there is something very dodgy about benefiting the solicitor who drafted the will according to the SRA Code of Conduct - it is a flagrant breach.

Nappaholic · 27/03/2014 23:30

It's been going on for years Fanta....prob very common 30 years ago. Frowned on these days so there is more guidance now, but it's not illegal. And will-writing isn't limited to solicitors - although at least they HAVE a code of conduct...and insurance!

Fantissue · 28/03/2014 10:28

I didn't say it was illegal - I said it was a breach of the Code. Having been a solicitor for over 10 years I am well aware that the Code of Conduct is not the law.

But good luck finding any solicitor who who would breach that strict liability provision - I would say it was more than 'frowned on'.

Sweetpea33 · 28/03/2014 12:45

Thank you all for your input - much appreciated. He is going to take it further and make a complaint I think.

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HerRoyalNotness · 28/03/2014 12:59

Might she have stored a more recent will with the probate office I think it's called. It would be worth calling them to see how you'd go about finding out.

Nappaholic · 28/03/2014 22:59

Sorry Fantissue...I was trying to keep it short..."dodgy" covers a lot of ground. Also, 30 ago, wasn't the Code written on the back of a fag packet?

OP could I respectfully suggest your relative seeks some specialist advice on the possibility of proprietary estoppel as well? Most solicitors offer an initial freebie where you can sound out whether they are indeed specialist? A testamentary trust specialist would be favourite! If you feel up to it, there are resources online if you google the term proprietary estoppel.

OurMiracle1106 · 28/03/2014 23:02

Even being witness to a will that leaves an inheritance to you can void your right to that

Nennypops · 29/03/2014 16:16

OurMiracle, that's because the law specifically states that a will can't be witnessed by a beneficiary. It doesn't say that it can't be drawn up by a beneficiary.

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