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advice needed on husbands ex wife going bankrupt

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Mrs4561 · 21/11/2013 14:57

Hi, I am new to mumsnet, but hoping I can get some advice on the situation we find ourselves in. I will try to explain as much as possible, however the situation is quite complicated and any advice would be appreciated!
DH bought the property we live in around 10 years ago, he then met his now ex wife and put her on the mortgage. They were together for a few years and then divorced due to ex wifes infidelity. DH had his own business and his ex wife did not work, they have no DC together. DH's business failed around the time they split and he fell into arrears with the mortgage. After they had divorced DH was told by the mortgage company he could not have her removed from the mortgage as it was in arrears (he is slowly paying the arrears off and has an agreement with the lender).
Then his ex went bankrupt, this was just under 3 years ago. The insolvency service have known she was joint owner of the property for this time. Now they want to apply for a charging order on the property where me and DH now live with DS. The charging order is for £1340, which is what they have calculated her beneficial interest to be. DH has submitted paperwork to them proving that she never paid a penny towards the mortgage both while they were together and after she left the property to set up home with another man. The insolvency people have deducted 50% of the mortgage payments that he has made since she left as she should have been liable for this, from her half of the equity. Although this is only half of the payments made minus the interest, which they are not including as they say the occupational rent cancels out the interest paid in the mortgage payments. (hope this is making sense this far!)
So the beneficial interest they have calculated, taking into account deductions for payments made by DH and occupational rent and selling fees is £1340. However (and this is mainly where we need some advice) the insolvency service have based this on the property having a value of £128,333. We have provided 2 estate agents valuations which state the sale price of the property would be £125,000. If the insolvency service were to accept this valuation, then Ex would have no beneficial interest in the property. However they are stating the value is £128,333 as one of the valuations suggested an asking price of £130,000 (still with a view to accept £125000) they have taken the average of these figures, as well as the value a similar house which sold recently, our argument is that both estate agents stated that the sale price would be £125000 and that they shouldn't be taking into account the sold price of another property that could have been in better condition than ours (ours is in need of a new kitchen and bathroom), and so the value should be £125,000.
They will not accept this and will only change the valuation if we provide a chartered surveyors valuation. DH is reluctant to do this as we cant really afford it, especially with Christmas on the way, but I don't really see another option.
We have argued that there should be no occupational rent charged as it was ex's decision to leave the property, so she could have returned and had use of the property up until divorce proceedings were issued, but again they have dismissed this.
If this does go to court, what would be assessed as the value of the house? Is the insolvency service responsible for providing a professional valuation? Does anyone have any advice re. occupational rent?
Also would they be able to force sale of the house?

Sorry if this has just been a long ramble, if anyone would like anything clarifying please let me know. DH received a letter this morning saying they were applying for the charging order so we are getting worried.
TIA for any advice.

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Gintastic · 21/11/2013 22:38

They can't get a full charge on a joint owned property for a debt in a single name. Read this for more info. HTH.

forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=1839539&highlight=charging+order+joint+property

MadonnaKebab · 21/11/2013 22:42

I think if he has a joint tenancy with a person filing for bankruptcy, he's doing pretty well to be only looking at £1,300 ie 1% of the value of the house

I'd be concerned that if he disputes it , it could well cost him more than this

Mrs4561 · 22/11/2013 07:14

Thanks for all the responses. Gintastic, will look into that thanks!
I fear I may not have explained very well, the £1340 is the bankrupt's interest in the property, due to dh paying all the mortgage payments, of which she should have been liable for half of, so this has been deducted from her interest which is why the amount is so little.

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Mrs4561 · 22/11/2013 08:26

Meant to add, the official receiver has agreed that the only interest they have is £1340, based on the property being valued at £128,888.
Does anyone know how the court will decide the value of the property?
TIA

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LIZS · 22/11/2013 08:35

Taking the average of 3 seems perfectly reasonable . Agree with others it isn't really worth the fight for the sake of a relatively small sum. Could your dh not pay the bank off otherwise they could put an additional charge on the property and make it more problematic to sell ? Agree with bb , the longer you leave it the more prices could go up and your argument could count against you.

Mrs4561 · 22/11/2013 13:38

Unfortunately we just don't have the money to pay it. The three years in which it has to be dealt with is up on the 3rd December, so I don't think the house going up in value will be an issue before then. The valuations we got were from 2 estate agents, both said a sale price of £125,000. The third value they have used for the average includes a value of £130,000 that one of the estate agents put down as a marketing price, surely they should only use one value from each estate agent?
In the letter they sent stating they were applying for a charging order, it also says that 8% pa interest would be added. Having done a bit of research it would seem that as the order would be for below £5000 then statutory interest cannot be charged, could anyone clarify this?
Thanks for all the replies. It's very much appreciated.

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