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Social Services took away my children and closed my business

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Cheeky4smiling · 09/03/2013 12:44

I'm 29 years old, I'm a registered child minder with my own business and two children aged just 2 and 4. For most of my working life I have been in Child care and took a degree at University to forge my path and a career as a self employed child minder.

My business was up and running and having dealt with a drunken and violent ex, I started out on my own - my business started to boom. Because i lived so close to a school it was ideal and my customers became extremely close friends and my places ran at full capacity with a long waiting list of mums and dads who wanted my services for their children. Life couldn't be better, happy and independent.

My ex continued to be a drunken clown when he collected our girls and i did start to worry about his attitude and behavior, especially as a new boyfriend came along.

As my ex's behavior got worse I started to enforce some rules around contact and eventually after he continued to break them I refused all contact at all. Life seemed to run along quite smoothly and whilst I had tried to make contact work it was now down to Dad to get his act together.

My 4 year old took to my new boyfriend from the start like a house on fire they clicked and my now 2 year old would climb all over jim and give him a sloppy kiss. lol

As I had pre-arranged a holiday with my Mum, me and the girls and my mum spent two weeks in Spain and came back having had a great time and really spent some quality time with the girls. However my youngest seemed to now reject my boyfriend and this was worrying. Its as if she wanted Mum full time and no one else, even rejecting my brother and being strange with my dad too.

Her sleep patterns changed too and she began getting up in the middle of the night and literally scaling her cot and getting out of bed. She has her own room and as you'd expect full of teddies and toys, but literally at 2am or 4am would be up, out of her cot and in the morning I would find her asleep on the floor or under her cot. To start with it appeared funny but the more she climbed the more she bumped her head and fell out etc etc.......she's a really really clumsy baby - but this started to worry me.

I took the side of the cot off and replaced it with a bumper bar, but she continued to get out of bed and one morning we found her downstairs in the front room having scaled a baby gate to get out.....There was no stopping my little one.

She had bruises on her head where she continued to bang herself and for some weeks now i had been in touch with my health visitor to try and explain what was happening. My Heath visitor initially passed it all off as funny too....and then when I continued to push - she advised me to visit my GP and ask to see if "sleep clinic" would work?

I made the appointment and took my little one to the doctors. My GP advised me to visit our local hospital to see a pediatrician and I genuinely thought we were on the right tracks now to get this sorted.

However when I got to the hospital I was met by a police officer and social services and my children were removed from my care. My business was shut down and I was unable to be with a person on my own who was younger than 16............. I couldn't believe what had happened ...... my world right there just ended.

My two girls went into voluntary custody of my parents and Social Services informed me that this may take a few weeks until they did some investigations.

A Pediatrician said that the bruises on my little ones head were "un-explained" and I watched in horror as my little girl under went tests, blood and skeletal to see if I had been abusing my little girl.....of course the test came out negative but yet this doctor would not move on her views and social services had to go along with a medical report that proved no conclusions and the police started a full investigation.

What started in November last year continues today - and I can honestly say I am no further forward in understanding when I might get my two little girls back.

I don't know if after interview the police will continue with their investigation, I've submitted the pictures of my little girl half in and half out of her cot and where we have found her in a morning etc and all my telephone records to show I was talking to my health visitor.

Social services seem to be un-willing to offer any dates of what my happen next and in what time frame, and I've got a solicitor who kind of stands on the side lines and chips in when i have an interview or a discussion.

My family are at breaking point. My mum is severely disabled and looking after my girls and my dad is trying to hold down a job too, my boyfriend is pulling his hair out as he wants to get onto the Police and Social services and see why this isnt progressing.

I have been passive - as I'm scared to death of up=setting social services in case they decide to take my kids away from my family and put them into care.

My ex has only recently found out whats happend as I and social services knew that he would become dangerous and now my house and my parents are on the POLICE RED list if anything should kick off with him.

He's threatening to go for custody and has now stopped all my CSA payments.

I can't get benefit and the system which I relied upon is trying to break me and turf me out of my house.

I suffered for years with domestic violence and now this animal wants my kids and social services are telling me I have to give my acceptance to let him see them. Yet he lost his driving lic 4x times, threatend me with a knife and literally kicked my front door in - during a drunken rage before the girls came along.....

If I say no - will social services act against me.

My boyfriend is telling me to fight and appeal all these decisions and get stuck into the system to see whats happening, but I feel utterly broken, alone and extremely scared and ......................lost.

Can anyone offer some practical advice - This is a complete nightmare

My little girl climbed out of her cot and now social services have both my babies in care............. I can't cope

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ProphetOfDoom · 09/03/2013 12:49

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Spero · 09/03/2013 12:54

Sack your solicitor.

Get a better one and get this into court right now.

Are you children voluntarily accommodated under section 20 or subject to a care order?

If a care order, what happened at the court hearing when this order was made?

If you are not happy/do not understand what Social Services are doing, this needs to be before a court and you need to feel confident with your legal representation.

lumpybumps · 09/03/2013 13:00

No advice but didn't just want to read and run. What an awful situation for you to be in Thanks

TrampyPants · 09/03/2013 13:03

No advice, but hope you get it sorted soon.

littlehalo · 09/03/2013 13:09

If your kids are voluntarily placed with your parents assume this is a s.20 arrangement. S20 can't be used in definitely there will either have to be a plan to rehabilitate the children back to your care, or for the local authority to formalise the care arrangements by taking the case to court for s.31 court order. You need to find out whet their intention is then take this info to a decent solicitor for proper advice.

littlehalo · 09/03/2013 13:09

*i assume..

RedHelenB · 09/03/2013 13:12

Just curious - did the health visitor not advise a bed once she knew your daughter was climbing out of her cot?

calmlychaotic · 09/03/2013 13:17

what an awful situation, so sorry. agree you need a better family solicitor. initial appointment should be free so go and see some and pick someone good and proactive.
why do you mention your youngest rejecting your boyfriend. have you mentioned this to anyone else, could this be ss concern. I am not for a second suggesting this please don't be offended, but they need to give very good reasons to remove children. I mind a child who has balance issues and is covered in bruises and him being removed from mum has never come up. you really need much better legal advice and soon. hope someone on here can help you more. I am a childminder too.

Lucyellensmum95 · 09/03/2013 13:24

Just sounds like an utter nightmare - i don't have any advice, just to offer support - take the advice given on here, get a more effective solicitor. Could womens aid help with this as there has been dv with the ex?

WorriedMary · 09/03/2013 13:34

Are you suspected of abusing your daughter? Or do they suspect your boyfriend?

The bit where you said your youngest was acting strangely around your BF and other male family members made me think that you were going to say that you'd found out your BF was abusing them.

I'm assuming he's been CRB'd as part of CM regulations.

Xenia · 09/03/2013 14:51

Do what Spero says.

Spero · 09/03/2013 15:11

If you are involved in care proceedings you are entitled to non means non merits tested free legal representation. So if they are stuck on section 20 and you feel you are getting no where, withdraw your consent and challenge them to issue care proceedings. Otherwise there is a danger this will drift on and on.

Either something is going on that your haven't told us OR you genuinely don't understand what is going on and need a better lawyer OR you are stuck in a real nightmare.

Whatever the situation, it is always in your children's best interests to have a clear path forward so they can either come home to you or be placed somewhere else.

If they can't come home you need clear explanations as to why not and what you need to do to get them home. If these explanations aren't forthcoming Ido think you need to go to court.

cumfy · 09/03/2013 23:57

What were the sleeping arrangements in Spain ?

Did DD2 feel particularly comfortable with her sleep environment or learn some new climbing trick there ?

I know this must be a really low priority for you at the moment.
But I'm just wondering if there may be some benign sleep related explanation that might help everyone put the pieces of this jigsaw together.

Good luck.

JengaBlock · 10/03/2013 00:15

Gosh, what a horrible situation. You have had some good advice. Good luck!

ElsieMc · 10/03/2013 19:45

First of all you need a pro-active solicitor. Choose carefully.

Also do contact the Family Rights Group. They have an advice line and their role is to support kinship carers and anyone who has become involved with social services.

There is also FASSIT, although I do not know if they offer one to one advice. Some of the stories on this site do not make for happy reading, so my instinct is to stick with Family Rights Group.

I am a kinship carer and had to go to court twice to get residence orders for children of the famly. Social Services (Childrens' Services) have a duty to place the children within the family wherever possible.

You are in a horrible situation and are trying your best to work with social services and not rock the boat for obvious reasons. However, time is drifting on and a pro-active rather than reactive stance now appears to be in order.

Social Services cannot impose contact. The courts make the decision upon contact, not a social worker particularly when the children are already in such a sensitive situation. I suspect you are hoping the children will be returned to you without the need for an application to the court.

I hope you get some answers and a positive outcome for all concerned.

Cheeky4smiling · 11/03/2013 13:34

It's currently in a voluntary situation, I havent had a court date yet - I'm told it could take upto 40 weeks to get this to court. I'm speaking with my solicitor tomorrow. I feel if I push social services they will see me as being disruptive.

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Cheeky4smiling · 11/03/2013 13:36

No Issues what so ever with Boyfriend - he has children too and in touch regularly with his ex, he's never raised a hand to his children at all

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cumfy · 11/03/2013 14:54

You do need to find another solicitor who specialises in family law.

It's very clear that your current solicitor has not explained anything to you.
(Your rights, the law, SS responsibilities and limits of power, ... anything)

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