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Do i have rights as a mother to challenge social services and my ex?

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smiles007 · 30/09/2012 21:31

Dilemna, in short, can i insist that my 4 yr old daughter is re-questioned regarding an alleged disclosure she apparently made to my ex's new partner about her 12 year old brother?
My ex has always made it obvious that he wants his daughter with him even though in the beginning he insisted on a dna test to csa, whilst still having access. I could have stopped this until test was done, but did not. Eventually he opted not to go ahead with test as it was going to cost him money.
My ex who is a playworker in a childrens centre has recently moved in with his new partner who is a support worker and has in the past done work with myself and my son.
Both these people know that over the years i have had problems with my son, but they also know that i have done my absolute best to get advice and support to help with things. This has not always been easy and sometimes i have had to do self-referrals.
I believe they are both putting words into my daughters mouth and convincing her that her brother is nasty and naughty. I believe the reason for doing it, is to use it against me to apply for custody.
My son was interviewed accordingly and only had my partner and duty solicitor sit in with him. He denied everything, but social services work on statistics and probablility. Can i challenge this?
They are saying my daughter cannot and will not be questioned again, and i will have to accept, we may never get to the truth.
This is so damaging and i cannot believe this is allowed to happen.
I suggested to her dad that we try and get to the bottom of it, as her parents we need to find out what might be really happening to her. He was very hostile and shouted to me, that no one, not me, not him, or anyone would be questioning her again.
My argument on this, is if it was his son, being accused, his attitude would be different.
My concern is my daughter, i have been having sleepless nights and nightmares thinking that if it's not happened from this end, then is it happening there.
As he has parental responsibilty, he has opted to keep my daughter, and i have had to go to solicitor to get access, even though Social worker said he had to make sure i still got to see her, as i've not done anything wrong.
This is such a short version of events, and cannot convey our character and honesty, but i believe, my ex has done this in spite to gain his daughter especially now he has moved in with a partner who is a support worker. Between them, they know the law and what happens, and they will know that, my daughter cannot be questioned, so therefore they get away with it.
I have been left, in the dark, with no immediate support for myself or my son, while the social worker allocated went off on her 10 day hols.
Not fantastic, due to my son having high anxiety levels anyway, and me just being a mother to two children who i felt that i was taking good care of. They really are never on their own. In fact my partner always jokes when he comes, as he says, i see the ambilical cord is still attached then!!!
The question is, who is right? Social Services and my ex, saying she should not be questioned?
My daughter is quite willful and does not take any crap from anyone, and in fact does her best to wind her brother up.
She has told me, she wants to come back to live and sleep and that she is not afraid of me or her brother.

OP posts:
trolls4us · 05/10/2012 21:57

maybe there is a charge you can bring against them for harassment and psychological torture like the DV one that comes out in March...if your daughter admits that she was 'groomed' to say it by her dad or her dads girlfriend surely its a criminal offence what they have done apart from wasting social services time ?

trolls4us · 05/10/2012 22:09

i think you should go to the police and get a charge of harassment on whoever made your little girl say it....tell your daughter how serious it is when you see her and ask her for the absolute truth even if it is/not what you want to hear or it is

perfectstorm · 05/10/2012 22:13

Trolls, forgive me, but that is the worst legal advice I have ever read on MN. If the OP followed it, I think she would increase her chances of losing residence of her child permanently.

OP, if you are still wanting support from MN please get this moved to Legal. Seriously, AIBU is just not the right place.

ladyjagcar · 06/10/2012 14:57

Sw has said we can resume to how things were, which is still the legal court order. My ex and his partner are saying that they are not against it in principle but feel that my daughter has now settled with them and making her come back quickly rather than gradually could be bad. They didn't think about this when they kept her 6 weeks ago and didn't let her see me initially when she had been with me and my son for the last 4 years. So i think this proves that actually this is not about what may have happened, but more about him getting control. If my ex is going to allow her to return from Monday through to Thursday when he's due to collect again, then i don't see his point exactly, if he was that worried, would he not suggest alternate nights to begin with? I have been told that i can now just choose to resume as before, or listen to what my ex suggests. There is going to be a family meeting at my daughters school, along with my ex, his partner, health visitor, school nurse, teacher, my partner, myself, social worker and another specialised worker who they have now agreed with me that should do some work around and with my daughter. Hopefully this way, we may find out if my daughter was telling the truth or just getting lots of info jumbled up.
The sw did say that if my ex and i don't agree then they may have to get more involved, but not because of my son, it will be because as adult's we are causing problems. I am fed up with treading on eggshells, and can't do right for wrong. My own conclusion is, i will agree to nothing, and resume as things were and if he does not agree, then it's up to him to take me to court.
I have done nothing wrong, and have been very patient these last 6 weeks, waiting for everyone to say and do their bit, and finally now, i have been told it will be acceptable to resume, therefore, that is what i intend to do.

ladyjagcar · 06/10/2012 14:58

To perfectstorm, sorry, but meant to say that as far as i'm aware this has been moved to legal. Sorry again for any upset it may have caused.

IneedAsockamnesty · 06/10/2012 15:02

have you name changed? im a tad confused.

if so i would be inclined to agree with you but i would be very very concerned that he may try and pull something simmerler again.

ladyjagcar · 06/10/2012 15:36

Yes, sorry, took advice, and thougt my name was too recognisable. My concern also, but did chat to sw who also thinks similar has told me too be extra vigilent around home and with my son. Sad ain't it when even the sw seems afraid of what the ex has got up his sleeve. I think the reason is because basically, they all work for the same organisations, and they are all afraid of making a mistake. I have already in the past been told by other professional workers who work with my ex, that he is up himself, for want of a better description, but that has been their words not mine. I believe he's one of thesse who thinks he can teach nanny to suck eggs. lol

perfectstorm · 06/10/2012 18:01

Oh no, no upset at all in that sense, I was just worried that you would get well intentioned but really unhelpful advice on AIBU. Because as you say yourself, any conflict between the adults is looked on unfavourably by those professionals concerned with the kids, so upping the hostilities in as nuclear a way as has been suggested - not a good move. So I'm really pleased the thread has been moved here.

I'm glad a meeting has been arranged with every possible support professional present, and I am also pleased to hear your ex is in breach of an existing court order in acting as he has. It does all sound suspicious. Whatever the situation, I really hope you get the help and support to enable you to work for the kids' best interests going forward.

perfectstorm · 06/10/2012 18:03

Also wanted to add that your last paragraph sounds completely sensible - and also that from what you say SS concerns now appear to be centred around adult conflict and not your son, which is telling. I think putting your foot down and insisting that you return to a shared care arrangement as set out by an existing court order is more than reasonable, in these circumstances.

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