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Builder has wrecked our wooden floor, where do we go from here?

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Olihan · 28/09/2010 19:15

We had an extension built 3 months ago and, as part of the build, got the builder to lay the wooden floor. He insisted on gluing it to the concrete floor and taking it to all the walls so it's underneath all the units. We weren't that keen on spending so much extra money on flooring that wouldn't be seen but agreed as he thought it was the best way to do it.

About a month after the kitchen was fitted part of the floor started to lift until we had a 'hill' in the middle of the floor. He cake and took out that part and tried to re-lay it. Because it's tongue and groove he obviously couldn't get the final pieces in so just cut off the tongue and groove.

It looked crap so dh rang him and said we weren't happy, it looked awful, etc. Builder came round, started telling us it was our fault for not buying the wood early enough (we bought it the day he told us he would be needing it), that the glue we bought was wrong (he said the glue was really good as he was laying it) then when DH got very cross with his excuses the builder stormed out leaving a floor board out and several pieces half fitted.

That was 7 weeks ago. We had to chase him and chase him until he said he'd come last Thursday. By mid morning there was no sign of him so dh rang his house and spoke to his wife who said he'd gone to a different job. DH told her politely but in no uncertain terms that we were very unhappy and she agreed her dh was out of order.

Anyway, he finally came yesterday and pulled up 1/2 of the floor. Today he started re-laying it again but he's done the same trick of cutting off the grooves to fit it certain boards which leaves uneven gaps, some ends are sticking up, there's knocks where he's hit the edges with a hammer to get them in and it just looks terrible.

We've been told by 2 joiners and a friend who's good at that sort of thing that the floor should have been laid over a membrane of some sort and not glued down. And that because it has glue residue all over the back we can't reuse any of it if we want it laid properly.

So now we are in the position of having £2k's worth of wooden flooring completely ruined. He's done about a third of the re-laying but I don't want him to come back tomorrow. I think we've given a chance to redo it and he's blown that twice. He patently doesn't have the skills or knowledge to do it correctly so we now need to get it done properly.

We didn't have a contract with him. The actual building work is fantastic and we're very happy with that. We've paid him for that and are waiting on his invoice for a couple of extra jobs he did. So we have a bit left over but nowhere near enough to pay another £2k for new wood then labour for someone else to fit it.

If anyone has any advice on where we go next I'd be very grateful.

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Olihan · 28/09/2010 19:15

Oh gosh, that's really long, sorry Blush.

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claricebeansmum · 28/09/2010 19:20

I am realy surprised that a wood floor has been glued - it is natural and expands and contracts and needs to be allowed to do this.

It should not have been fitted the day after you bought it - should have had at least a few weeks in your house getting aclimatised to heat and moisture.

Your massive problem is the fact you have units over it. He was right to fit it to whole floor as it needs to be a whole unit.

Am intrigued as to whether solid wood, or wood on man made base?

DaisySteiner · 28/09/2010 21:28

How much more money do you owe him for the other stuff?

Olihan · 28/09/2010 23:23

Sorry for the delay, dh arrived home as I posted and immediately phoned the builder who came round so we've been involved with trying to agree a solution with him. We haven't managed anything so far so any more advice would be welcome.

Daisy - not sure. We've asked him for a final price at least 4 times and he says 'don't worry, I'll sort it' but hasn't so far. Dh estimates about £700 (3 days labour, a lintel above a door and the floor levelling compound) but we don't know that for certain.

It's definitely not anywhere near the £3k the floor will cost us to replace.

Claricebeansmum, he told us on the friday that he'd be doing the floor the following week so we bought the wood on the saturday and he started laying it the following thursday so it did acclimatise for a while but clearly not long enough. It's solid oak so almost certainly shouldn't be glued but he insisted it would be fine. As he's the builder and we have no idea we assumed he knew best.

The annoying thing is, we had asked him to tell us how

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Lougle · 28/09/2010 23:30

He should have known that he needed to leave expansion gaps Hmm Basically, you need to leave 10 mm all around the edge, so that when the wood expands, you don't get a lump in the middle of the floor. The walls are fixed, so the wood in your kitchen has nowhere to expand to. Wood is less resistant than plaster/brick, so it will push up.

He needs to refund you the cost of the flooring as he has ruined it, and certainly not charge you the labour for that part of the job. It is not fit for purpose.

Quite how he thought slicing the tongue and groove would help is beyond me Shock

Olihan · 28/09/2010 23:34

Exactly Lougle. That's what we're saying to him but he's not accepting that.

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Lougle · 28/09/2010 23:43

Well, he won't will he? He doesn't want to lose 2k.

Builders rely on word of mouth and a good reputation. He needs to sort this out or he will get a bad reputation.

The ultimate is small claims court. You would win hands down, from what you have described, but it will take time.

Make sure you document everything. Dates, conversations, outcome, whether by phone, in person, etc. Take photographic evidence. Close ups of dodgy areas.

Olihan · 29/09/2010 00:02

There are no expansion gaps at all. We didn't think much of it when he laid it because we assumed he knew best Hmm.

DH has mentioned the small claims court but I don't want to do that unless we absolutely have to.

Thanks for the advice about documenting everything. It's all been verbal so far, would it be worth putting some of it in writing?

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Lougle · 29/09/2010 00:12

Most definitely, I would say.

claricebeansmum · 29/09/2010 11:50

Put in writing and also take some photos.

Shock at solid oak floor being laid like this. Our wood sat in our house for about a month before it was laid.

said · 29/09/2010 20:10

Small Claims Court is online now. I believe it's fairly straightforward?

Olihan · 30/09/2010 19:24

We've taken lots of photos and we're going to write him a letter tonight laying down our side and suggesting that we keep the final money that we owe him and he refunds us £700 so we have enough to replace the wood. As there's quite a bit of the original floor under the units we don't need as much money to replace the visible part.

Is that a fair compromise?

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