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Contact & Residency order

13 replies

rebecca74 · 13/07/2010 19:47

After 7 years of marriage, my marriage came to an end and by husband moved out in september 2009, he refused to give a forwarding address and so on advice from my solicitor, contact with our 5 year old was to be supervised until an address was given. Ex Husband refused to divuldge his address and refused the contact, In January he discolsed his address and a court order came through for a contact order. We attended, but by this time he had a couple of weekend contacts with our son.
When I arrived in court, to my horror, he had applied for residency and in the meantime he had reported me to social services for all sorts of spurious allegations which had all been found to be unsubstantiated, never the less he went to throw the words around of 'Emotional Child Abuse' but offered very little to support this. Cafcass have done their reports and we have been back to court on two further occasions since, one for the 'recovery of a child' when he refused to return our son, THe court ordered an interim residency that he should live with me.
THe cafcass report also recommends that our son should live with me, as my Ex husband lives 130 miles away now.
Teh final hearing is in a couple of weeks and I have decided to represent myself, mainly due to finances, but also because on the first court appearance, I had a barrister, but my Ex didn't the Court appeared to 'wipe his arse' for him and feel sorry for him, so I have taken this decision to be on an even keel.
I have been told about 'Mckenzie friends' and apparently these are any friend that you are allowed to take into court for support and to take notes and prompt you throughout the court hearing - has anybody excersised their right to take a 'Mckenzie friend' with them? and did you have a resistence from the court?
My Ex has a new girlfriend who he is living with and he brings to the front door of the house to collect our son, this im sure is to provoke and reaction, although she has produced a statement claiming various incidents have taken place on the doorstep that are completely fabricated, but I believe my Ex will be calling her as a witness along with his Mother - I have read their statements.
Should I take the moral high ground with these pair or pull their statements apart in court?
Has anybody had a Cafcass report been done and the recommendation has not been followed by the court?
I have searched different variations of these questions in search engines, but all that appears to come up is Dadsnet, fathers need famlies, etc, its all geared up for the fathers as they are seen as victims in divorce and cvustody arrangements, but really if the child is not suffering any abuse and Im not a crack head, why should our son be up rooted from the only area and school he has ever known to be moved 100+ miles away to a different area?
Surely its not our Sons fault that his father has chosen to move away.
The reason for the custody i belive is financial, my ex pays me £200 per month and has to collect our son every other weekend, probably about £100 per month in fuel, if he was to live with his father, I would have to pay through the CSA £450 per month, but I have been told my ex would only grant me supervised access at his house.
My ex would be £750 per month better plus alot less travelling, should I bring this up in court?
I believe this is his main motive as he is struggling financially.
My Ex can have as much contact as he likes, I have proposed we share the school holidays and he has have every other weekend, but this clearly is not enough.
AS the days draw closer, I am starting to worry about the outcome although clearly, social services, cafcass, his school and all others have found no issues with my parenting, I would love to hear from anyone that has been in a similar situation to mine. Thanks for reading, I know it was little long winded.

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cestlavielife · 13/07/2010 22:46

my ex used a mckenzie friend- he paid him £360 - some do charge.

i thnk you should call FNF, dadsnet etc and see what response you get on their helplines .

it wont be your ex who would decide what contact you ahd (were he to be awarded residency) - the court would decide. if he ahs been living with you fine then why would you suddenly be required to have supervised access?

GypsyMoth · 13/07/2010 22:52

fnf work with mothers too.....be aware your ex could refuse the mckenzie to come into court with you tho

can i direct you to www.wikivorce.com child residency and contact forums. they are very helpful....post the above on there

you could appear reasonable and offer to meet halfway for travel?

CarGirl · 13/07/2010 22:57

families need fathers are fab, I've never heard a bad word about them they do NOT favour men at all.

mumblechum · 14/07/2010 22:11

It's up to the court to decide whether you allow you a Mackenzie friend. The only circs I've seen where they haven't been allowed is where they're close friends or family members and therefore potential witnesses.

I don't think you have anything to worry about so far as residence is concerned if Cafcass have recommended that you have residence.

Bit pushed for time this evening, but am a family lawyer and will come back and check this thread Thurs night. Post any additional questions & I'm happy to help

STIDW · 15/07/2010 19:55

Some McKenzie Friends are very good, but the best charge an hourly rate similar to a solicitor and about double the cost of a legal aid solicitor. Some are not so great and have their own agenda and can overheat the situation.

I remember one well known MF from the Families Need Fathers list (there are about 10 -12 names listed on the FnF website) berating another MF for being aggressive in the court's corridor which did the father's case no good and the MF was almost escorted out of the building. Another MF listed recently admitted to me his motivation was to right the wrongs against fathers. Then there was the Steve Stephenson saga;

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4743750.ece

I guess what I'm saying is be careful if you want to take a MF. Remember they aren't a solicitor, most haven't studied law or completed on the job training that a solicitor does and MFs are not regulated or insured should things go wrong. There is no reason why an acquaintance who is articulate and well organized can't act as your MF and if it is someone you know it is easier to avoid some of the pitfalls above.

Sadly The President's Guidance for MFs appears to be no longer available but it said those wishing to use a MF should advise the court at the earliest opportunity and send a short CV of the MF.

IT's very important to remain child focused. The courts are highly unlikely to disrupt a child's sense of security or established bonds by changing the status quo unless there is evidence (school, social work, medical reports etc) that a child isn't surviving "satisfactorily."

If you do your case outline/skeleton argument, call it what you prefer, that's your ­script­, for you and the judge (and opponent). Get your main points in there and you've got a checklist, and if you are appearing in person the judge can help you where necessary.

Make a list of things that you think are important in relation to children that have not yet been established: that's what you are going to be cross examining on.

A court hearing is an exercise in getting the relevant info clearly set out before the Judge. It is not, contrary to appearances, an argument between you and your spouse. It is each of you putting your case across. Part of that is done by asking the other person questions. But it is still part of putting your case across. If you get drawn into a verbal brawl, the text of your story gets lost, and you lose the judge's attention on the bits you want them to concentrate on.

Cross examination is not a time for malicious character assassination. Its your chance to flesh out the important factual parts of your case by asking relevant questions. This is a skill that even lawyers learn only slowly, so you need to prepare carefully.

All the histrionics you see on TV may work in the occasional criminal trial, but they don't work in family cases. And generally they are very counterproductive. If you have a good point, it will come across.

Don't make your case more complicated than it needs to be. It will almost inevitably get more complicated during the course of the hearing, so try not to start off too complex. Pick your main themes, the strong elements of your case, and concentrate on getting them across.

babybarrister · 20/07/2010 08:12

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mumofsatan · 20/07/2010 11:11

There is a very helpful poster called yerblurt who 'hangs out' in single parents. He (I believe) is a MF and is involved in FNF but it is not biased towards men, am sure he is more than heppy to advise women too. I've always found his posts very useful and informative.

Bessyboo · 29/07/2010 18:02

Thank you all so much for taking the time to reoly with your helpful comments, I can give you an update from last Thursday, would have done sooner but I had forgotten my login details.
My Ex didnt turn up for court and the case was heard and dismissed for the want of the applicant!!
I assumed he hadn;t turned up because he didnt want to appear to loose this case and so by not turning up, none of us was awarded residency, we both still have the same rights. I thought a very shrewd move on his part.
However, I have since found out that he had written to the court the day before and asked for the case to be adjourned, the letter wasn't received in the court house until 9.37am and our case was at 10am, so the letter didnt physically make its way to the magistrates in time. His case has still been dismissed and we are back to square one again.
I am of the mindset that as long as he keeps returning our son back to me when he says he will, I will not persue residency.
However, should he fail to return him at any time and come up with some spurious comments that our son doesnt want to come (like he did once before) I will apply for an emergency hearing to get residency and hopefull the courts will get fed up with us and make a final decision.
thanks to all who posted replies.

thephoenix · 29/07/2010 18:25

sorry you've had to go through all this bessy. Sounds like you are being very sensible about maintaining the status quo unless he plays up again. Fingers crossed things work out ok and you don't need to make any Court applications

Bessyboo · 29/07/2010 18:47

By the way, I took a Mckenzie friend with me, who was a family member, not to speak on my behalf, but just to keep me focussed, take notes and prompt me where necessary, I asked permission when we arrived and the magistrates agreed, but as he ExHu disn't turn up, I will never know if he would have objected.
I will definately take the chance again with a MF though, they can only say no and it did make me feel a little more at ease.

arfarfa · 30/07/2010 09:25

The resources available for women tend to be front loaded, ie. planning for, instigating and coping with the departure and immediate aftermath. Resources for men are more heavily geared towards the initial shock upon discovering that their wife/partner and children have 'vanished', and then coming to terms with it and dealing with the forthcoming incredible journey into the living hell which is called the Family Law system.
Families Need Fathers are excellent; they have a very even handed and (almost!) gender free perspective. They have always been friendly and helpful whenever I have asked any questions.
Your ex has to learn/understand that reliability and stability are as important to a child as love. Whichever parent has the greater grasp of that fact is usually the most suitable re primary residency.
Good luck.

cestlavielife · 30/07/2010 10:02

yes if you apply in future and he doesnt turn up then they could award you residency - that is what happened with me as ex didnt turn up so as i was the applicant i got the final order...

i applied wih a view to regulating contact (getting set days rather than adhoc) as it was becoming so stressful for all including the DCS, and to clarify residency - it did take 14 months from aplication thru various hearings...

Madascheese · 30/07/2010 10:11

Hello Rebecca

I've had a long battle wit my ex who was apply for resdiency and leave to remove to another european coutry.

I find wikivorce to be really helpful and very postive about encouraging sef repping - in fact thanks to them I've started self repping myself.

Their only bias is toward children andthey have great people there offering sound legal advce. You can also get hold of forms you might need there.
WRT you situation, keep calm, it's unlikely he'll be able to call his ow orhis Mum as a witness because they're not exactl unbiased.

You can also apply for permission for almot anyone of suitable character to be a mckenzie friend. Mine is a close relative.

good luck.

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