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Which child to put in front seat

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Flymeaway4 · 18/06/2025 22:39

Baby #3 on the way. When this one arrives we’ll also have a 4yr old (very nearly 5) and a 3yr old. We will have baby and 3yr old in rear facing seats and need to buy a HBB for the eldest. Visited a baby shop today and they’ve said we won’t fit 3 across the back, so we’ll need 1 in the front.

So, which one is safest in the front seat? Newborn in a rear facing seat (air bag can be deactivated), middle child in a rear facing seat or eldest in a forward facing HBB?

In case it’s relevant, car is an Audi Q6 e-tron and car seats are joie i-level and joie i-spin (HBB still to be bought)

Thanks

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Springadorable · 18/06/2025 22:44

Not your eldest. Either of the rear facing seats with the air bag off is fine.

BlueRin5eBrigade · 18/06/2025 22:50

I'd put the baby in the front seat with the airbags turned off

AmelieSummer25 · 18/06/2025 22:53

I'd be put the baby in the front too. I don't suppose your 4 yo will be happy about that though.

PotteringAlonggotkickedoutandhadtoreregister · 18/06/2025 22:53

Either of the rear facing seats.

what we actually did in your position was bonus option number 3 and got a new (to us) car that you could fit 3 car seats across the back.

Gyozas · 18/06/2025 22:55

PotteringAlonggotkickedoutandhadtoreregister · 18/06/2025 22:53

Either of the rear facing seats.

what we actually did in your position was bonus option number 3 and got a new (to us) car that you could fit 3 car seats across the back.

I think the Q7s fit three.

Dueindecemberr · 18/06/2025 22:59

We have our youngest rear facing in the front with the air bag off.

Flymeaway4 · 18/06/2025 23:05

Can anyone tell me why please? Is this the 'official' advice?

It's just that had been my plan, as I thought it was safest, but lady in the baby shop said eldest was the safest option for the front, as she's furthest from the airbag. I was a bit surprised, but she said that even if deactivated the air bags could still go off. Is that true?

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Flymeaway4 · 18/06/2025 23:06

New car not an option, current one is only 5 months into a 4yr lease

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dementedpixie · 18/06/2025 23:15

I would put eldest in the front with the seat pushed back from the airbag. I wouldn't put a rear facing seat in the front in case the airbag deployed even if turned off

BlueRin5eBrigade · 19/06/2025 11:03

BlueRin5eBrigade · 18/06/2025 22:50

I'd put the baby in the front seat with the airbags turned off

There is a lot of different advice. I've included the Halford car seat blog for information. However, I think I've changed my mind after reading around I think you should put the oldest child in the front passenger seat. They should be in an age appropriate forward facing car seat. You should position the seat as far away from the dash as possible in case of air bag activation. I'd put the baby behind the 5 and move the 5 year old seat as far back as it will go. When you can afford it get a bigger car.

https://blog.halfords.com/can-my-child-sit-in-the-front-seat-of-a-car/

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Flymeaway4 · 19/06/2025 16:16

Interesting reading, thank you.

I don’t think a bigger car is necessarily safer either. I’m not a fan of 7 seaters, as I think the children in the back, where there is much reduced boot space, are less safe in a rear collision than a child in the front seat would be in a forward collision.

Also, there are fewer cars much wider than ours on the market! The reason we can’t fit a third seat in the back is that the other 2 are quite bulky rear facing seats and I feel our middle child is still too small for forward facing. If we had 2 forward facing and the newborn in a rear facing then it will work and we may do that on longer journeys when my partner can’t comfortably fit in the back. But day to day, I’d rather keep the middle child rear facing for now, which means someone has to go in the front.

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Flymeaway4 · 19/06/2025 16:22

Just had a response from the In Car Safety Centre and they said to put the newborn in the front.

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milkhoarder · 23/06/2025 21:26

Could you look at getting slimmer car seats? I know an expensive extra cost, but much cheaper than a new car!

We currently have a Joie-ispin for our 3yo and it is BULKY so we are looking to change it for when baby 3 arrives. Apparently the Britax rear facing seats and HBB are some of the slimmest - but I haven't properly looked into that yet!

Flymeaway4 · 24/06/2025 07:58

Yes, coukd ve an option, just seems a bit wasteful of a perfectly good seat

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Raindropsandroses123 · 29/06/2025 19:41

You are crazy considering to put a child in the front seat.
You need a different car that accommodates them all safely in the second row. I’m a mum of 3 and putting a child in the front seat is absolutely not an option. Considering the car you have it’s obvious you can afford to change it to one that’s for for purpose.

Flymeaway4 · 29/06/2025 21:22

Wow, are you this judgmental in real life, or just from safely behind a keyboard?! What about people with 4 children, what should they do?! Besides, I'm not convinced you're correct, do you have a source to back this up please? If not, I suggest you have a rethink about who is crazy here.

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HolyMacaroniBatman · 29/06/2025 21:26

Have you thought about a Multimac? They’re not for everyone but cheaper than a new car. Many people with multiples rave about them.

Flymeaway4 · 29/06/2025 21:33

I don't believe you can do extended rear facing with the multimac. I'd like them each as close to 5 as possible before forward facing, which means 2 rear facing for about another 2 years.

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BertieBotts · 29/06/2025 22:17

The lady in the shop is repeating some myths.

I have looked at pictures of the back seat of your car and I reckon you could fit three across there if you find the right combination, which will probably mean ditching one or both seats you currently have (sorry, but will be cheaper than changing the car, they could possibly be of use to a grandparent?) The Joie 360 in particular is very tricky to use without being able to spin it, and it won't be able to spin when installed next to another seat.

Airbags which are deactivated can't go off, or at least I am assured there's never been a recorded case of it happening. The general wisdom is that the oldest/tallest child should go in the front, but anyone who knows about ERF knows that you can indeed put a rear facing child in the front as long as the airbag can be disabled, and it's much safer than putting a forward facing child in the front. Some car manuals suggest deactivating the airbag for any child under 12.

This is a blog (sorry it is a bit snarky - that is the general tone of the author) which explains why the front seat is OK for a rear facing seat. I probably wouldn't put your baby in it, because your Joie i-Level can't be fitted without isofix which means you'll need a new infant carrier. If you are concerned this blog post is too old, look at the instagram account of this website as they still post regular fit photos of children in RF seats in the front.

https://www.carseat.se/2010/05/28/are-car-seats-in-front-seat-safe/

The main issue with deactivating an airbag is if you're doing this ad hoc, because chances are quite high you'll forget to do it and/or forget to turn it back on when you have an adult passenger in the front and either mistake could have deadly consequences. But this is less likely if you have a seat permanently installed there like one of the Swedish type ones, because installing/uninstalling it is more of an event so you'd be more likely to remember to change the airbag setting.

Multimac's rear facing seat only allows use up to 83cm/13kg and their supposed ERF module has been "coming soon" for over a decade at this point so rule that one out.

If you want to try for three seats in the back, I would find your nearest ERF specialist by looking at Axkid's stockist list and see if they will let you book an appointment to try multiple combinations. It takes a while because you have to try each seat in each position to see how the belt etc aligns and the seats fit against each other. Take your current seats, and any spares you have for travel with you. You will probably need at least one Swedish type ERF seat with tethers, either an Axkid, Britax or Avionaut. Your 5yo or 3yo could use one of these seats now.

The old Joie Tilt is also very narrow and can fit well in a centre seating position, though is only stocked by Kiddies Kingdom and I am not sure how old their stock is. It also is outgrown earlier than other RF seats, but this doesn't matter so much when you have children close in age because you will be more able to hand the larger ERF seat down and it just buys you an extra 6-12 months compared to an infant carrier. I think the newer R129 Graco Extend/Joie Steadi is slightly wider (and MNers report also outgrown before the 105cm limit is reached) but could be worth a try, Halfords Impala might also work in a centre position. Cozy n Safe Fitzroy (NOT i-size) is another option which is similar to the Joie Tilt. RF limit is only 13kg but again you might get to about age 2/2.5 and by this time your middle child will be old enough to vacate the ERF seat.

For infant carriers - it's tricky, and you might want to stick with the i-Level. If you have the LX base rather than the Encore base this might be easier so it may be worth considering swapping just the base. Ideally, an infant carrier with belt fitted base is a great option but they are really hard to find now. You can of course belt fit most infant carriers without the base, but then that adds extra time and annoyance when getting 3 children in and out of the car, and I find most infant carriers are not well designed for belt fitting these days. Britax are good, Maxi Cosi tend to be good and Avionaut Cosmo (but not so much Pixel) are easy to fit with belt. With Cosmo or Maxi Cosi the inserts are so good that you might not miss the recline.

You could look at Joie Sprint as it is still isofix for the speed factor, but might be just that tiny bit slimmer due to lack of base. OTOH the base raising the infant seat up can be incredibly helpful when trying to fit next to another seat, because the handles sticking out on the infant seat tend to be a problem and interfere with the seat next to it. And Joie Sprint is a very unremarkable seat in terms of features otherwise.

For any position where you have 2x buckles next to each other and one is a permanently installed seat like Axkid but one is buckled every time, consider a buckle guard with key unlock for the permanent seat. It helps prevent accidental undoing of that seatbelt.

This post is very dated now but might give you some idea of combinations or models, and can see how 3 seats fit in cars which don't have three "full" seats in the back.

https://erfmission.com/car-seats-3-across-in-the-backseat/

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Flymeaway4 · 29/06/2025 22:55

Wow, thank you so much! I think this’ll take a few reads to get my head around, but thank you for taking the time to be so helpful!

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Flymeaway4 · 29/06/2025 21:22

Wow, are you this judgmental in real life, or just from safely behind a keyboard?! What about people with 4 children, what should they do?! Besides, I'm not convinced you're correct, do you have a source to back this up please? If not, I suggest you have a rethink about who is crazy here.

Get a minivan? Buy a 7 seater?

I wouldn’t be looking at putting my children in the front as the norm. Either buy slimmer seats, or a bigger/roomier car. There are plenty of options. When you go out as a family an adults going to need to cram in the back with the kids? Is that not annoying especially for longer journeys?🤣

EllatrixB · 29/06/2025 23:01

Honestly I would nominate BertieBotts for all the awards if I knew them in real life.

BertieBotts · 29/06/2025 23:25

Haha thank you :D I am just wasting too much time on here really, but nice to know it is helpful to people sometimes.

Raindropsandroses123 · 30/06/2025 09:55

Flymeaway4 · 29/06/2025 21:22

Wow, are you this judgmental in real life, or just from safely behind a keyboard?! What about people with 4 children, what should they do?! Besides, I'm not convinced you're correct, do you have a source to back this up please? If not, I suggest you have a rethink about who is crazy here.

People with 4 children also usually get a bigger car, they don’t consider putting them in the front seat.
Im not crazy, I like to consider children’s safety as an important factor when travelling rather than convenience, something you need to consider more. You need to read more about it.

https://www.childcarseats.org.uk/choosing-using/positioning-child-car-seats-in-cars/#:~:text=NEVER%20put%20a%20rearward%2Dfacing,it%20forward%20with%20considerable%20force.

Flymeaway4 · 30/06/2025 12:05

What nonsense you’re spouting! I’m posting here for advice on the safest and most practical solution for our family, so clearly it is something I am considering and something that is importantly to me, so to state otherwise is crazy.

Your link doesn’t back you up either. It says ‘if’ the airbag cannot be deactivated! We have a nice car, it automatically deactivates if isofix is being used. I have done a lot of research and have found nothing to say it is unsafe, if the airbag is deactivated, but I’m ready to be proved otherwise.

Getting a bigger car with a 3rd row effectively means putting them in the boot. Have you seen one? They have practically zero boot space, so are significantly closer to being crushed if rear ended, than a child in the front would be if in a frontal collision.

I plan to get advice from another shop, to see if they can confirm that 3 across won’t work with our existing 2 car seats (or otherwise). Assuming that is correct though, then so far, the only solution to get 3 across would be to get smaller car seats for our youngest 2 children, or forward facing for the 2 oldest, which I am not prepared to do, as this will reduce their safety in a crash. No solution is perfect here, I’m simply trying to find the best solution overall.

I think you need to do some more research yourself before offering up advice to others, that is dangerous in itself.

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