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Angela Rayner didn't mention Jews in her Holocaust day twitter message...

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cholent99 · 28/01/2025 18:16

https://x.com/AngelaRayner/status/18839692954678315

I wonder why? It would be like talking about apartheid without mentioning black people.

What with GMB also omitting Jews from the holocaust, it's all getting a bit (sinister).

https://metro.co.uk/2025/01/28/good-morning-britain-apologises-failing-acknowledge-6-000-000-jews-killed-holocaust-22449295/

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https://x.com/AngelaRayner/status/18839692954678315

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Humdingerydoo · 28/01/2025 18:47

I haven't seen Angela Rayner's thing as I refuse to click an X link, but it's all quite predictable really. The past 15 months things have really been ramping up when it comes to denying any kind of Jewish suffering. I mean, we all saw it in real time on October 7th. And because people didn't speak out against it, it emboldened the anti-Semites and normalised anti-Semitism to the point that even the Holocaust is now also fair game.

Minimising or denying Jewish suffering seems to be a hobby to some.

BakedAlaska12 · 29/01/2025 16:53

Angela Raynor is just (unfortunately) exactly as you’d expect regarding this.

I find it chilling that in recent years (I don’t really know how to word this the right way) that the atrocities of the holocaust is being taken away from Jews and is either being omitted or people are bending over backwards to include any other group too.

Again apologies for how this has been worded. I hope some understand what I mean. It’s like other groups have been shoehorned into Memorial Day as if to say - see it wasn’t just the Jews, etc…

cholent99 · 09/02/2025 12:17

BakedAlaska12 · 29/01/2025 16:53

Angela Raynor is just (unfortunately) exactly as you’d expect regarding this.

I find it chilling that in recent years (I don’t really know how to word this the right way) that the atrocities of the holocaust is being taken away from Jews and is either being omitted or people are bending over backwards to include any other group too.

Again apologies for how this has been worded. I hope some understand what I mean. It’s like other groups have been shoehorned into Memorial Day as if to say - see it wasn’t just the Jews, etc…

The word you are looking for is "appropriated" and yes, you are correct. Jewish suffering has been appropriated and weaponised against us by the far left and their allies. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few decades, the truth of the holocaust will be completely distorted so that a completely unaffected group are painted as the victims of the holocaust and unfortunately with AI it's very easy to distort history, especially when certain groups and individuals have a lot of power and money to do this. Lets make Orwell's 1984 fiction again.

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Sweetdisorder · 03/08/2025 05:50

BakedAlaska12 · 29/01/2025 16:53

Angela Raynor is just (unfortunately) exactly as you’d expect regarding this.

I find it chilling that in recent years (I don’t really know how to word this the right way) that the atrocities of the holocaust is being taken away from Jews and is either being omitted or people are bending over backwards to include any other group too.

Again apologies for how this has been worded. I hope some understand what I mean. It’s like other groups have been shoehorned into Memorial Day as if to say - see it wasn’t just the Jews, etc…

How do you mean sorry? Why shouldn't we remember the other victims such as the Roma just as much as the Jewish victims?

Letstheriveranswer · 03/08/2025 18:46

Sweetdisorder · 03/08/2025 05:50

How do you mean sorry? Why shouldn't we remember the other victims such as the Roma just as much as the Jewish victims?

We should remember all the victims, however the holocaust was specifically designed to annihilate Jews.

And people, EDI initiatives etc too often focus on the other victims as a way of saying 'See, it wasn't antisemitism, Hitler just hated everyone who wasn't Aryan'. Which is then starting to border on holocaust minimisation....

All the groups of victims should be remembered in their own right.

Sweetdisorder · 03/08/2025 20:00

Letstheriveranswer · 03/08/2025 18:46

We should remember all the victims, however the holocaust was specifically designed to annihilate Jews.

And people, EDI initiatives etc too often focus on the other victims as a way of saying 'See, it wasn't antisemitism, Hitler just hated everyone who wasn't Aryan'. Which is then starting to border on holocaust minimisation....

All the groups of victims should be remembered in their own right.

I'm not sure I agree with that. I think in most cases people are trying to make sure to mention the other victims because for many years holocaust memorials and education focused on the Jewish victims and didn't mention the others. It took until 1982 for the Roma genocide to even be acknowledged by Germany, and they didn't even have a memorial in Germany until 2012. And the disabled people who were killed in the Aktion T4 are even today often ignored when people talk about Nazi Germany. Disabled children, and then disabled adults were the first Nazi victims even before Jewish people. The gay men who were killed in the holocaust weren't mentioned till 1985, and it took till 2006 for them to be officially recognised as victims. Then there are the Jehovah's witnesses, polish victims, political victims, and I'm sure there's others I forgot.

25milesfromhome · 03/08/2025 23:23

I was going to write a polite, informative post explaining how and why not to universalise the Holocaust and how especially inappropriate and tone deaf it is to do it on the Jewish MNers board but then I found myself asking "why bother?".

Sweetdisorder · 04/08/2025 00:40

25milesfromhome · 03/08/2025 23:23

I was going to write a polite, informative post explaining how and why not to universalise the Holocaust and how especially inappropriate and tone deaf it is to do it on the Jewish MNers board but then I found myself asking "why bother?".

But I am Jewish, so why shouldn't I post on the Jewish mumsnetters board? I am also disabled, and I find it upsetting that disabled victims are often ignored. I think that we should care equally about all the victims. Maybe you don't agree.

25milesfromhome · 04/08/2025 00:50

I do agree that all victims should be cared about and memorialised. I don't agree with universalising the Holocaust or Holocaust Memorial Day to do it.

Sweetdisorder · 04/08/2025 01:23

I'm not sure quite what you mean sorry?
For instance the Auschwitz memorial museum has exhibitions about, and information on their website about all the different groups that were imprisoned and killed in Auschwitz. And the holocaust memorial trust commemorates the other victims on holocaust memorial day alongside the Jewish victims. I think that's as it should be.
Is that the kind of thing you disagree with or am I misunderstanding? Is it that you think there should be different days for each different group and the current holocaust memorial day should just be for Jewish victims?
Funnily enough I've just seen that the UK has just built our first memorial to the Roma victims, that's good to see.
www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2025-08-01/first-ever-monument-in-the-uk-to-honour-roma-holocaust-victims-unveiled

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