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BTC... who is buying the dip?

35 replies

ToppTotty · 15/06/2022 21:25

I hve a buy order in at £15500 but now I'm wondering if I should hold out until later in the year. How low do you think it will go?

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swifty1974 · 15/06/2022 22:36

I would get in now although to be honest I don't think it matters as I am confident it's going to take off massively in the next few years....I suppose it really depends how long you intend to hold it for....I'm thinking probs 10 years before I sell any

ToppTotty · 16/06/2022 07:29

Yes, if it goes to 100k then it won't really matter whether I bought at 15.5 or 18.5… I just wondered if you think it will go back down to 2018/19 prices.

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swifty1974 · 16/06/2022 07:57

Honestly, who knows.....it is refrshing to hear someone not completely rubbishing crypto though. Its amazing how many people just think its all a big scam. Long term I think Bitcoin will go well beyond £100k.

butterflycatcher · 21/06/2022 09:24

It's about time in the market rather than timing the market. Do it now, it might go down some more but it might go up too. Just go for it.

WotTheDickens · 21/06/2022 16:18

Rats, it went up! Hoping for another (deper) dip this week!

WotTheDickens · 21/06/2022 16:18

deeper

Threadkill · 04/07/2022 20:34

Really difficult question @ToppTotty. I have bought Bitcoin in the past, but I don't trade it. I'm more comfortable with oil, copper and Forex. However, personally I'd wait a bit longer or buy on tranches averaging down. No-one really knows when the crypto market will find the bottom so be cautious. You could go all-in at £10,000 only for it to sink to £5,000. In the words of Bob Dylan "When you think that you've lost everything, you find out you can always lose a little more...". Good luck! Let me know if you make a killing!

WendellGeez · 04/07/2022 21:13

Thanks @Threadkill. I only have a few thousand to put in so I won't become a BTC millionaire, unfortunately, but it would be nice to make enough to buy OH a little yacht.
I'm still holding out for another price drop.

Threadkill · 04/07/2022 21:32

WendellGeez · 04/07/2022 21:13

Thanks @Threadkill. I only have a few thousand to put in so I won't become a BTC millionaire, unfortunately, but it would be nice to make enough to buy OH a little yacht.
I'm still holding out for another price drop.

I think that's the sensible decision @WendellGeez . Bitcoin had a little bit of gain last few days but just about to hit its 10 day moving average - if finds resistance at this level I reckon might drop quite a lot more. I could be wrong though!

nateDB · 01/09/2022 12:56

I still can't get around to buying Bitcoin either. Despite the fact that back in 2014 I could have bought it for $100 and now I would have 200 times more. But don't settle for it.

BasicDad · 05/09/2022 23:29

Dollar cost averaging is not a bad shout at this point in time. It's near to this cycles bottom, if not already there or there abouts...in crypto terms anyway (give of take 50%, instead of 95%)

I'm expecting a long crypto winter lasting until 2025. In that time we'll see between +100% and -50% swings.

Also a chance the cycles start to become more compressed and less volatile as adoption rates increase.

Only risks that will make it fail, is global regulation or a massive hack, beyond this year's mess with Terra.

Liebig · 05/09/2022 23:34

swifty1974 · 16/06/2022 07:57

Honestly, who knows.....it is refrshing to hear someone not completely rubbishing crypto though. Its amazing how many people just think its all a big scam. Long term I think Bitcoin will go well beyond £100k.

I don’t think that. I know that.

It solves nothing, is far more harmful to the environment, and is so fraught with the most obvious scummy scam peddlers that I can’t believe anyone doesn’t see it for what it truly is: a get rich scheme for shafting the bag holders.

The sooner it dies like the useless shit it is just as NFTs did, the better.

Cailleachian · 07/09/2022 02:48

At current projections Bitcoin will be carbon negative by 2024, due to miners using waste gas.

There are no scam peddlers of bitcoin - there are scammers who fool people into thinking that they are getting bitcoin, and scammers who fool people into thinking that what they are selling is as good as bitcoin.

Bitcoin is truely amazing, as world-changing a discovery as quantum physics. We have barely scratched the surface of what this technology is capable of.

Once you fall in love with bitcoin, you realise that it doesnt matter what the price is. £1k, £10k, £100k, shrug, dollars go up and the pound comes down, but one bitcoin will always be worth one bitcoin, now, tomorrow and forever.

urghnotthisagain · 07/09/2022 03:11

Honestly thought this was a thread about hummus. Time for bed.

Liebig · 07/09/2022 10:03

Cailleachian · 07/09/2022 02:48

At current projections Bitcoin will be carbon negative by 2024, due to miners using waste gas.

There are no scam peddlers of bitcoin - there are scammers who fool people into thinking that they are getting bitcoin, and scammers who fool people into thinking that what they are selling is as good as bitcoin.

Bitcoin is truely amazing, as world-changing a discovery as quantum physics. We have barely scratched the surface of what this technology is capable of.

Once you fall in love with bitcoin, you realise that it doesnt matter what the price is. £1k, £10k, £100k, shrug, dollars go up and the pound comes down, but one bitcoin will always be worth one bitcoin, now, tomorrow and forever.

What the hell is “waste gas”? I didn’t know we had, not only excess gas we throw away, but carbon neutral too. Someone should let HM gov’t and the EU know this. Gonna substantiate these wild claims?

No peddlers of scams, eh? I guess Celsius was legit, then. Along with every other exchange that closed up shop and stole funds. I thought people learned after Mt. Gox, but my faith was misplaced.

Bitcoin is not “quantum physics”. It is literally a blockchain with a currency token. There is nothing remotely revolutionary there to anyone who knows anything about computer science. These things existed before Bitcoin. Can you give use cases where something like Ethereum or BTC improve upon modern finance?

Your final paragraph tells me all I need to know: you’re yet another acolyte of this brain dead cult that has invented a solution to a problem no one has, wanting ever increasing value for a valueless tech so they can get free money. It’s the adult version of trading rate Pokémon cards and thinking that’s the new cash and can only ever go up in value. Forever. Except I can at least play a game with Pokémon cards.

Also, lol at my attached image. Keep the faith.

BTC... who is buying the dip?
SoupDragon · 07/09/2022 10:08

one bitcoin will always be worth one bitcoin, now, tomorrow and forever.

well, £1 will always be worth £1 too.

Liebig · 07/09/2022 10:17

SoupDragon · 07/09/2022 10:08

one bitcoin will always be worth one bitcoin, now, tomorrow and forever.

well, £1 will always be worth £1 too.

If you really want to muddle the brains of crypto peeps, ask them what they buy with BTC.

Hint: everyone cashed out in fiat, because you can’t buy anything of worth with crypto. Have fun paying for groceries or your taxes using whatever scam coin du jour is popular.

Or how about wages? People love it when their salary goes from being worth £25,000 one day to £18,000 the next, then back up to £40,000 and down to £5,000. Totally useful and reliable system, for sure.

Pinkpeony2 · 07/09/2022 10:20

A worldwide digital currency existed before Bitcoin? What was that called then?
Why do people think it’s a scam?
Isn’t everything in our society a human construct?
Much of what we have and use really exists unless enough people believe in it? Any currency, business, countries, nations, laws. All just constructs that people believe in so they work (for now)

Pinkpeony2 · 07/09/2022 10:22

Liebig · 07/09/2022 10:17

If you really want to muddle the brains of crypto peeps, ask them what they buy with BTC.

Hint: everyone cashed out in fiat, because you can’t buy anything of worth with crypto. Have fun paying for groceries or your taxes using whatever scam coin du jour is popular.

Or how about wages? People love it when their salary goes from being worth £25,000 one day to £18,000 the next, then back up to £40,000 and down to £5,000. Totally useful and reliable system, for sure.

For now.
Bitcoin is a newborn baby in terms of reliability or implementation.
Could die in infancy or grow up to be a world wide leader.
It’s hardly brain frying.

DoodlePug · 07/09/2022 10:30

What does Celcius have to do with Btc? Other than using the same technology.

Btc isn't a scam, but it's not necessarily an investment either. Crypto isn't really something you buy hoping to double your money, other than meme coins.

Most coins have utility, they are used for something so if you want to do that something they are useful to you. Or if you believe that 'something' is a great business idea that's undervalued you can buy the coin believing it'll rise in value, just like shares.

Similarly not all nfts are digital art. Some are tickets to a real or virtual event, items to use in blockchain gaming, membership badges, etc.

Btc is OK but really the upside is only x5, that's not much compared to some good looking projects. Btc is a safe place to stick your money whilst deciding what to do with it.

DoodlePug · 07/09/2022 10:44

Not sure anyone reads these things wanting to find out more but just in case here are some crypto projects that aren't just a coin

cardano.org/
ripple.com/solutions/cross-border-payments/
uniswap.org/
app.gala.games/
decentraland.org/

Cailleachian · 09/09/2022 19:30

Liebig · 07/09/2022 10:03

What the hell is “waste gas”? I didn’t know we had, not only excess gas we throw away, but carbon neutral too. Someone should let HM gov’t and the EU know this. Gonna substantiate these wild claims?

No peddlers of scams, eh? I guess Celsius was legit, then. Along with every other exchange that closed up shop and stole funds. I thought people learned after Mt. Gox, but my faith was misplaced.

Bitcoin is not “quantum physics”. It is literally a blockchain with a currency token. There is nothing remotely revolutionary there to anyone who knows anything about computer science. These things existed before Bitcoin. Can you give use cases where something like Ethereum or BTC improve upon modern finance?

Your final paragraph tells me all I need to know: you’re yet another acolyte of this brain dead cult that has invented a solution to a problem no one has, wanting ever increasing value for a valueless tech so they can get free money. It’s the adult version of trading rate Pokémon cards and thinking that’s the new cash and can only ever go up in value. Forever. Except I can at least play a game with Pokémon cards.

Also, lol at my attached image. Keep the faith.

Waste gas is gas that cannot be used because the cost of transporting it is greater than its exchange rate. Bitcoin fixes this, which is how it becomes carbon negative.

Celcius is not bitcoin, it was effectively a "crypto bank". In crypto if you do not hold the private key, you do not hold the bitcoin. Custodial solutions like celcius or centralised exchanges like Mt Gox always put your crypto at risk.

The Byzantine General problem had never been solved before bitcoin. This is the critical upgrade because it gives us proof of time.

In terms of use cases, I can send $10 crypto equivalent directly to a peasant farmer in rural Afghanistan which they can immediately swap for mobile phone credit, a widely used form of currency among the unbanked. If I were to do that through the trad system it would involve a long and risky trek to a western union office, on the assumption that they or someone they trusted had sufficient ID to receive the money. Just because YOU dont need bitcoin doesnt mean bitcoin isnt needed.

Liebig · 13/09/2022 23:32

@Pinkpeony2

ALL modern currencies are digital and have been for decades. There is nothing fundamentally difficult about this. If you’ve used a credit card, you’ve used something that exists as nothing but binary. Fiat currency in cash is a minor part of all money, has been since fractional reserve banking became a thing.

The blockchain is the biggest advantage, and for that matter, disadvantage of the cryptocurrencies and it's a fundamental limitation. It is not magic.

@Cailleachian

Wait. So the solution to Bitcoin’s environmental problem… is to burn fossil fuels we wouldn’t otherwise? Am I reading that right?

So one guy on the web believes human waste and stranded gas in oil and gas wells will be sufficient to power the entire blockchain network with all its related inefficiencies that modern fintech does not have. I'll just leave this here. If nothing else, it shows how horribly inefficient Bitcoin is compared to modern finance systems. That, and we don't need to dedicate vast amounts of energy to a thing literally orders of magnitude slower and more energy inefficient than any modern banking system.

Additionally, CCS is a con. It’s the panacea people in the FF industry wanted but won’t get. It’s no better than the IPCC saying we can hit our climate goals once we magick up direct air capture carbon systems that work without creating more carbon (spoiler: they can’t).

Did I mention the massive disruption to the semiconductor market, the loss of free tier web services, the increase in crime related to such endeavours etc.

Re: Celsius

And yet, that’s how the majority of people interact with it. Hence my bringing up the scams and insecure nature surrounding trading or investing in such. Are you telling me people should be storing their crypto in personal hot wallets now? Then why were so, so many people losing their minds when such exchanges go down?

Re: the BFT

Actually, it had solutions already. There were several solutions already in existence before Bitcoin, but Bitcoin is the go to example in action of a DLT in common use now.

Relating to Proof of Work, they will needlessly waste resources to act as Sybil defences. If you want a successful permissionless blockchain that protects against such attacks, it will not be decentralised. You're literally giving up efficiency or efficacy by going that route.

And guess what already exists to deal with those issues? VISA.

I'm not going to fault you for "investing" in something that is, at the end of the day, a get rich quick scheme. No shame in that, people play the lottery weekly or attempt to get in on a number of other next big things.

But please stop trying to defend this pointlessly complex and useless technology that will never replace fiat so long as national gov'ts require the control of sovereign currency. It's never happening, and that's all the DeFi guys need to understand.

Cailleachian · 14/09/2022 02:21

The strength of bitcoin is that it is tied to energy. It is an energy backed currency.

Miners will always gravitate to the cheapest source of energy and are literally invested in identifying long term cheap energy sources, these sources are largely renewable. Its not a problem to be solved, but an opportunity - a feature not a bug.

People should store their bitcoin in self-custodied wallets. Exchanges and custodial solutions like Celcius have centralisation risk. Self-custody eliminates this.

There was no solution to the Byzantine Generals problem before Bitcoin. Bitcoin is the first of its type offering full trustlessness.

Bitcoin is mindblowing once you understand the physics and maths behind it. We have barely scratched the surface of what it is capable of.

LazyMadis · 21/12/2022 14:09

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