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Shall I buy the second house or update my current house?

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rabbitcarrot · 30/12/2018 12:11

Currently I lived in my first house without mortgage. I and my hubby both working as full time with one daughter. We have saving £60K now,
My hubby thought it feel safe to buy a second house as our main house, but still keep the current one, we won't rent it out because we hate the hassle of dealing with rental issues.

I thought we can sell the current one and get a bigger deposit for purchasing a bigger and decent house in a posh area.
But my hubby said he is worried about his company future, it is risky if he get redundancy in next couple of years.

We both hate risky and worried about big mortgage we can't afford if some accident happen in future.

Please give me some advice for this. Any thoughts/advises are welcome.

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maxelly · 30/12/2018 15:05

Why on earth would you buy a second house and keep the first one sitting empty? You'd have all the hassle of having a second property in terms of 2 x maintenance bills etc (an empty house can need more maintenance if it isn't kept heated and ventilated), 2 x council tax plus having to pay extra capital gains tax if you ever came to sell the house that isn't your main residence. And you'd be getting no active return on the capital tied up in the property so your only return on investment would be in increase in property prices which isn't necessarily that great depending on where in the country you are. Plus it is a very non-liquid asset (meaning if you urgently needed the cash e.g. in case of your DH being made redundant) it would take a long time to get it as you would have to wait for the house to sell. So overall I think your DH's plan is not a good one Grin

Buy to let is not as good an investment as it was (property price growth in a lot of areas of the country has stalled, plus you are taxed much more on the income than used to be the case), and as you rightly say can require quite a lot of input in managing the property and dealing with tenants (you can get managing agents to do a lot for you but that further eats in to your profits). Also for most people the bulk of their capital/savings is already invested in property in the form of their main residence so whilst property/real estate is usually overall a safe investment, investing in more property means all their eggs are in one basket, if the market crashes they cannot then move money around until it recovers which can take years. So I wouldn't advise that either.

As to what I would do in your position, it slightly depends. What is the motivation for wanting a bigger property, are you overcrowded in your current house/significant problems in current home? You say you could afford a 'posh' area if you moved, what would this actually mean for your family in tangible terms - better education, safer/lower crime, shorter commute, closer to family? Usually if it's purely a space/'kerb appeal' you are better off spending money on an extension to add space to your current home or remodelling and redecorating e.g. to create open plan space, if this is possible. You don't always see the full amount spent added to the value of the home so it's not an investment as such but it's much better value than having to spend lots of money on estate agents, solicitors, stamp duty etc. on moving home, which really is money down the drain. But if moving home would mean better schools or a much better quality of life that you couldn't get in your current home, of course that is different. Most people do have mortgages so whilst your fears about locking yourself in and overstretching are rational and natural I think taking out a relatively small mortgage wouldn't be a terrible idea if your family will benefit overall.

Also your fears about your husbands job, what is that based on? Is there a real likelihood of redundancy and if so what's his package like? Realistically how long will it take him to find another job - weeks, months or years? This will guide how much money you want to keep in 'cash' (not actual cash of course but in a form you can easily access such as a cash ISA or instant access savings account).

In a nutshell, assuming there's no massively significant need to move home and your husband has a reasonable redundancy entitlement and could find replacement employment within 6 months or so, I would probably:

-Keep 6 months expenses less the redundancy package in an easy access savings account
-Stick in current home, perhaps set aside a small amount from savings for home improvements.
-Max out pensions entitlements and ISA allowances for you both for this year, if you haven't already done so, and keep enough cash to use up next year's entitlements too. Get a SIPP if your work pension schemes aren't great.
-Put the rest into a low or medium risk investment fund - do your research into these but there are funds/websites which perform well and require minimal input from you, you simply set your risk level. I use nutmeg.

Hope this helps!

rabbitcarrot · 30/12/2018 17:24

To mexally

Thank you so much for help and useful ideas.

I want to keep the first one mainly treated it as our retire pension. I and my DH both have good pension state pension and personal pension, however, when it comes retire age, that would be 25 years later, I assume sold the first house should be a good sum of money for retire life.

The second house I keep an eye on is also in a posh area, but it is 3 bed room house, size exactly as my first one, the only difference is in a good area with good education. My daughter is 9 year old now, The good secondly school is big plus for her.

My DH current job seems all right for now, but his company has been bought by american 2 years ago. So many people/jobs and department has been cut due to sales going down. He just mentally prepared for that, nobody knows what will happen in future,

I do agree the 2 council tax and maintenance, all money has been tired in property,it will also involve lots risk as well.However, it might sound silly, but in my mind, the scenario of the property price go crash after 25 years, it won't happen. Can you compare current house price with 1993?

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user1471426142 · 02/01/2019 07:04

I can’t understand why you would keep a second house empty. If you’re looking at it as an investment then you’d need to take into account maintenance costs, high insurance (for an unoccupied property), council tax, bills etc and then suddenly it doesn’t necessarily look as rosy and assumes house prices will always continue rising.

What size of mortgage would you be looking at if you were to move? And how does that compare with earnings? If you have savings and a lot of capital in your current house, you’d probably have a favourable LTV and get a good rate.

RollerJed · 02/01/2019 08:53

I'm a bit confused too. Do you want a rental but your dh doesn't?

It is not viable to leave a house empty for 25 years, if you want to keep it you need to rent it out.

Jolonglegs · 02/01/2019 08:58

In the current housing climate, buying a second home is not good enough. Once everyone has one home, then we can start thinking about some having a second one. Please consider doing something else with your money and remember those without a home.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 03/01/2019 19:22

Yes, keeping a second home sitting empty is verging on unethical if you ask me.

I’ve thought of buying a second home too and dismissed it for that reason.

I’d buy a holiday lodge like a shot but with site fees etc I may as well just set fire to my cash.

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