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If this test had been run we might not have needed IVF

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magpie234 · 12/02/2026 09:51

I am beyond grateful to be pregnant with my first child - a daughter due in May. I do however still hold a lot of anger and resentment and sadness about how our supposedly unexplained infertility was handled both by the NHS and our fertility clinic. I want to share our story in the hope it may help another couple as I know we will not be the only ones.

Not long after we started trying my amazing husband went to his GP about a varicocele he knew he had (look it up but this is an issue with the veins in the testicle that affects blood flow and can cause overheating). He requested a semen analysis which came back normal or low-normal on all counts. The varicocele was dismissed as unlikely to be affecting his sperm quality. However - the key big however - these basic sperm analyses do not test for dna fragmentation which varicocele is known to cause. I of course also went for initial tests which all came back fine.

Two years of trying later we went to a fertility clinic and they tested me a lot (surely it must be a woman problem!) but did not run any further tests on him despite knowing about the varicocele. Like many clinics they are all gynaes. Not one urologist in the team. DNA fragmentation testing was not even available there. Given the supposedly unexplained nature of our infertility and not wanting to delay things further (I was 35 then) we ended up starting ivf. This was thankfully successful for us with our third embryo (first fresh transfer failed and second embryo failed to survive the thaw then the third one stuck after a natural modified cycle using my own hormones).

Throughout ivf I still wanted to know why we could not get pregnant naturally given we hope to have another child in the future. So a few days before our successful embryo transfer we went to see Dr Jonathan Ramsay who is one of the best people - let alone doctors - who I have ever met. He is so empathetic and knowledgeable and he made us feel listened to and validated for the first time. I so wish I had found him earlier but better late than never. I actually give him some credit for this embryo sticking because he made such a huge impact on my mental health which really helped to relax me. He confirmed that the varicocele was large and therefore definitely significant (his words) and ran a dna fragmentation test which showed high fragmentation. My husband has now had his varicocele embolised which we hope will improve his sperm quality. Our plan is to run another dna fragmentation test before we start trying for another child.

In short: had my husband been tested to the same extent I was from the start we may never have needed ivf. We are very lucky to have one more (low quality) embryo in the freezer which we may decide to try and use (especially if the next dna fragmentation test is still borderline) but if not then we are hoping to naturally conceive next time. Dr Ramsay believes this to be the unexplained explained.

Best of luck to everyone on this path as we both found it really really tough. The sense of loneliness and shame and feeing like the entire world was pregnant except me is not something either of us will forget. Oh and by the way - the little embryo that could was a 3BB.

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21RsMama · 12/02/2026 10:20

Thank you for sharing your story! I do feel IVF clinics don't care to find out why there is unexplained fertility. They just put the basic methods in place for people who have all different unknown circumstances.
I wish you all the best with your little miracle ✨❤️

magpie234 · 12/02/2026 11:11

@21RsMama Thank you so much 😊

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ItsAJourney · 12/02/2026 19:49

It’s so lovely to read this glowing review of Professor Ramsay and such funny timing too! My husband has just had his first appointment with him after a DNA fragmentation test ordered by our clinic showed his fragmentation is high. We got one embryo from our last round which we transferred on Tuesday and then my husband had his appointment the next day so if it doesn’t work, we’re already on the path to trying to find a way forward. Thank you so much for posting this, it gives me great hope that if things don’t work out with this current transfer that hope is not lost.

magpie234 · 13/02/2026 20:31

@ItsAJourney Lovely to read this! Hope really is everything. I was just the same as you… I wanted to feel like we had other plans in motion to move us forward rather than just waiting around to see if we got lucky. Did your husband have a good experience with JR? He really is a gem. If we do conceive naturally next time after his help I would love to name a son after him but unfortunately multiple members of our family are already called Jonathan 😂 (obsessed much?!). Best of luck with everything. I have a lot of hope for you!

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ItsAJourney · 14/02/2026 11:18

@magpie234 Yes, he did. It was only his first consultation but he said Professor Ramsay already thinks he has a good idea of what the problem is. He sent him for further tests and then he’ll have a follow up in a month so hopefully that will tell him for certain. Wishing you the very best of luck with your pregnancy - such wonderful news!

magpie234 · 14/02/2026 11:35

@ItsAJourney Fantastic! Thanks so much - in my third tri now so the home stretch 🙏🏻

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PlanBFertility26 · 14/02/2026 14:37

Another glowing report for this amazing man. We went from two cycles of total failed fertilisation to fertilisation and 3 embryos. It hasn’t worked yet but he gave us hope and progress

magpie234 · 14/02/2026 18:22

@PlanBFertility26 That is amazing! Hope and progress are both so important. I honestly think they can affect outcome (in conjunction with the medical obviously). Like I said I think the sense of both he gave me played a part for us. I was in such a bad place mentally before seeing him and he made such a big impact on me. I sobbed in the car on the way home and it felt like a lot of pent-up emotion left my body. Five days later - successful transfer of an average embryo. My husband too had had that varicocele since he was a teenager and had never been taken seriously! So it was of course really big for him too. Both of us felt so seen and heard by him. Not at all rushed off or patronised like every other doctor made us feel. So pleased to hear he helped you so much and wish you all the best for future success. I think your situation sounds really promising!

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Muddysocks1 · 10/03/2026 10:26

Thank you for sharing this. We’re pre ivf but it looks like the next step. we’re going to do a dna frag test first though as I just have a gut feeling it could be an issue

magpie234 · 10/03/2026 11:54

@Muddysocks1 Great plan. Then even if you still need to do ivf or decide to due to timing (as opposed to trying to treat the dna frag to conceive naturally), it will help inform the protocol. I believe there’s something called a Zymot chip they can use to get the sperm with the best dna quality before doing icsi. Ours worked just normal ivf but I think that was because my husband ended up doing a second sample only like an hour or two after the first (the first wasn’t good enough - a lot of what they called debris presumably from dead sperm cells etc), which would have had better dna quality as fresher and less hot/damaged from hanging around in there

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baliandbones · 26/03/2026 15:50

Hi @magpie234 🥰

Thank you for sharing your experience - my DH and I have been TTC for nearly 5 years now, also Unexplained Infertility and moreso, I believe you and I have had similar feelings in terms of “Why are you only testing me?”

We’ve just been through our second (and final) round of NHS Wales treatment with WFI; first was a fresh transfer and failed, only had one blast. Second, they managed to get 20 eggs, 17 of which were mature - unfortunately, only 6 fertilised and only 1 made it to blast, that one was a little 3BB that’s been frozen, ready for us to try in a few months 🥰

I just wanted to share that whilst they decided to up my medication and put me on the Long Protocol, ending in a current moderate case of OHSS, they still haven’t felt the need to test my DH… Despite making the decision to use ICSI each time, due to “sperm quality”. To add to that, the last sperm analysis they did was in February 2025, apparently no issues with it. Why choose to overstimulate me instead of at least carrying out further investigations on my DH’s sperm first? Doesn’t make any sense to me. Also, had they have done that, maybe they’d have found an issue and improved the outcome of our final round.

I do apologise for the long-winded message. We’re just so frustrated with all of this, especially after choosing to wait on the NHS waitlist for all this time instead of going private. It feels like such a waste.

I hope you’re doing okay and I’m absolutely thrilled to see that your 3BB was a sticky boy/girl! 🥰

Xx

magpie234 · 27/03/2026 13:52

@baliandbones Hey! Thanks for sharing your story and frustrations. I really hope your little frozen embryo is the one! I would definitely be questioning only getting one embryo from 20 eggs. What have they said to that? ICSI might not be enough on its own to get round a sperm issue. Zymot chip might be worth looking into. I would definitely go for a dna fragmentation test and urologist consultation if you can possibly afford to. I know he is far from Wales but I really could not recommend Professor Ramsay more highly. Happy to chat if you have any more qs at any point. I have a strong drive to help others who were in our situation and think shouting about the need to look into male factor much earlier is key! If only to properly rule it out which no clinic seems to be doing 🙃

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magpie234 · 27/03/2026 13:58

@baliandbones and anyone else reading this - I also recommend the Test Him podcast. Professor Ramsay has been on it and they discuss a lot of important things that might just hold the explanation for you.

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