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Things I’ve done/ Things I’ve tried IVF/ICSI

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Dochas1211 · 09/02/2022 14:29

Hi all, wanted to post this in case it helps anyone.

male factor infertility

Do not and I repeat DO NOT take a semen analysis as a full analysis of your partners fertility if you have sperm issues. It is so important to get a DNA frag test done too. If this test comes back high you need to get referred to a urologist to see if there is something they can do to improve the sperm. Yes you will likely still need to do IVF/ICSI but you have a better chance of it working if you’ve addressed DNA frag issues. Do not be put off by clinics telling you it doesn’t matter. It does!

Our story: did semen analysis. Count of 1mil. Told we would need ICSI. Did a round and all embryos dropped off days 3-5. Asked for a DNA frag test and was told by clinic it doesn’t matter/still need ICSI/ was too new to make a difference. I insisted. DNA frag came back at over 50% damaged. Insisted on postponing next round and getting a urology referral, found a huge hidden variocoele which was embolized. DNA frag dropped to 92%). I clearly wasn’t going to get pregnant doing 5 day transfers with an infected lining (always visually fine on scans).

  • Treated it with targeted antibiotics and then vaginal and oral probiotics (canesflor and optibac). Repeat test showed alot of improvement and good levels of good bacteria.
-the ERA also tests progesterone. Do not allow clinics to fob you off about progesterone . If you bleed early after transfer or have spotting and a failed transfer INSIST on a progesterone blood test. - I bled early after my first transfer. For second I asked for a progesterone test. I was scoffed at and told no one needs more progesterone than what I was on (x2 pessaries, 1 injection into stomach). I bled early again. The ERA showed my progesterone after 6 days of the above was 4!! It needs to be >52 and ideally above 100 for implantation. Again if I hadn’t pushed for the blood test I’d be doing pointless transfers with progesterone far too low. My progesterone was then monitored during the TWW every few days and I was put on progesterone in oil injections and my levels shot up.
  • This test also acts as a endometrial scratch
  • when I asked about this test re the emma/Alice ( I had already done one ERA) my consultant said he could always treat me without doing it - I.e. give me a course of antibiotics and then probiotics however the reason I went ahead with the test is that some types of bacteria need a targeted antibiotic to get rid of them and you won’t know this without doing the test. However if you are short on funds it could be worth asking for treatment without doing it.

test for natural killer cells

-Again I did this before recommended number of transfers - came back raised and that I needed steroids for transfer.

  • immunes is a very complex area with lots of different treatments so definitely do some research into it
  • if you feel you might have an immune issue but don’t want to get into testing my consultant did offer me low dose steroids alongside my transfer so you could always ask for this to be included as a precaution if you’ve had failed transfers. Could help but only if you’ve a non severe issue.

thrombophelia tests

-this came back fine but these tests can identify if you’re more at risk of miscarriage due to blood clotting disorder or if you’re unable to absorb folic acid in standard form. Usually done after 3 miscarriages again I got them done before transfer to see if Clexane was needed as I had
a limited number of embryos

Other

  • don’t be afraid to move clinics if it’s not working or you don’t feel listened to. I moved from my first clinic when they insisted DNA fragmentation didn’t exist
-I moved from my second clinic when they refused to check my progesterone or change anything from my failed transfer and wanted to repeat the same protocol. -At my 3rd clinic the consultant listened to me. He suggested we do embryo banking and then do all the tests I wanted pre doing a transfer even though they weren’t actually recommended at the stage we were at. He pro-actively came up with plans when the test results came back bad (re low progesterone and micro biome results)
  • don’t be afraid to travel for treatment. We travelled during level 5 lockdown in Ireland (where I’m from) to total lockdown in the UK and it was absolutely fine.
-don’t be afraid to insist on tests or to pursue your gut feeling about things -Ask the consultant about protocols! My 3rd consultant added in letrozole for the first 5 days of Stims and it did seem to help eggs collected. -be careful whose advice you take regarding clinic selection. Most people love the clinic that got them pregnant. Some people are trickier cases and in these cases I recommend doing some consultations and asking based on your history what protocol and tests they recommend. I know it’s expensive to do consults but failed rounds are far more expensive. I did several consults before moving to my U.K. clinic and almost tested them on whether it would be their standard protocol or whether they would think outside the box/ suggest something new / flag an issue. -same goes with additional testing - we spent half the cost of one round on extra testing and our next transfer worked. You can spend so much just doing the same thing over and over. -additional treatments: I did acupuncture, reflexology, hypnotherapy, fertility Pilates, fertility yoga, fertility mindfulness, lymphatic massage, very fad in the book (pineapple, McDonald’s, plastic free, no makeup etc etc). Enjoyed them all but none made a difference to the outcome of the different rounds/transfers. I wasn’t doing anything for the transfer that worked as it just wasn’t sustainable any more for me having been doing or preparing for IVF from 2018-2021! Do them if you enjoy them. Don’t do them thinking it’ll give you a better outcome or if you don’t enjoy them especially given the extra expense. Don’t put yourself under pressure. -do your own research / ask questions . There are some knowledgable people on this board who are good at responding. I have been on these boards in various names since I got my IVF referral back in 2018 and so many kind people helped me out
  • Go easy on yourself and do what you need to do to improve your mental health. I did not go to baby showers - I just declined the invite and sent a gift when baby was born. Amazon is great for baby gifts - send it on via Amazon and you don’t need to pick things out or go to baby shops. Cut yourself some slack - I hated my friends when they announced pregnancies. I just let myself feel what I felt and I tried not to guilt myself. I figured as long as I wasn’t saying anything to them it wasn’t hurting anyone that I was upset and angry. We are not bad people we’re just going through an extreme trauma. It’s ok to feel whatever you want and make decisions that put you first.
-I did see a fertility nutritionist who helped me lose around 24lbs in 3 months! Mainly weight gain from all the IVF. It was expensive but we’ve kept up some of the eating habits and know now what to do to lose weight while getting right amount of nutrition. Again something to consider if you’ve struggled with ivf weight gain.

Hope some of this might be of use to someone.

OP posts:
Cherry35 · 24/03/2022 14:33

Thanks for sharing your story. I'm glad you had your happy ending.

Can you please share more information about PRP ?

Thanks

Dochas12111 · 24/03/2022 15:07

Hi @Cherry35 @99pctpractice I’m the OP with slight name change to Dochas12111 - if you both PM me your personal email addresses I’ll send on the literature I have on PRP - it’s word docs so too tricky to send via mumsnet.,

bluemoony · 26/03/2022 12:56

Thank you so much for that super helpful post.
I have also had two failed FETs and am considering further investigations before proceeding as I have 2 embryos left which are of course incredibly precious.
I would be so grateful if you could please message me the information on PRP as I have been considering this due to thin lining issues abs heard it could help. Thank you 🙏🏻

Dochas12111 · 26/03/2022 14:17

@bluemoony

Thank you so much for that super helpful post. I have also had two failed FETs and am considering further investigations before proceeding as I have 2 embryos left which are of course incredibly precious. I would be so grateful if you could please message me the information on PRP as I have been considering this due to thin lining issues abs heard it could help. Thank you 🙏🏻
@bluemoony pm me your personal email and I’ll send it on! PM to this username.
Plantsandcoffee · 19/07/2022 20:33

Wanted to comment so I don't lose this great thread. Thank you @Dochas12111 for this invaluable information.

I often wonder where I'd be without some of the information that's has been shared on MN.

We have MFI- husbands sperm analysis came back not great:

morphology 1.5% - below 3-4% average
Vitality 34% - below 55-63% average
Motility 27% - below 31 -34% average
No of sperm 59 mill - above average - this decreased in second sperm analysis

We suspected varicoceles and finally got an embolism booked which my husband had this month.

By the time this embolism was booked we had already started IVF and we got pregnant after 2 "ungradable" embroyos were implanted on day 5. They kept the other ungradable embroyos another day but they didn't make it. At 6 weeks there was 1 gestation sac but hadn't grown a yolk sac so it's an non viable pregnancy. I'm starting to think perhaps if husband had had embolism before we had IVF we might have had a better outcome.

Interested about the DNA frag. We haven't tested for this but if the the solution is an embolism which we already had is the DNA frag test a wasted of time/money?

Grateful for any shared experiences or advice

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Lulu106 · 22/03/2023 14:41

Hi @Plantsandcoffee out of curiosity how are things for you. Did you have further treatment?

lemons44 · 23/03/2023 20:16

This is really useful , thanks Op

Dochas12111 · 13/11/2024 10:09

Hi everyone, I thought I should update this thread. Obviously one of the issues we found was causing our infertility. After having my now toddler we took a year to retest everything I detailed in this post and I had to repeat a few Emma/Alice to get optimal levels but my first FET was successful and I am now 25 weeks.

so again I encourage anyone struggling to take a step back and look at additional testing/ new protocols etc.

GreatEggSpectations · 25/11/2024 23:17

Currently embryo banking with PGTA testing.
I've got a few in the freezer and hopefully will start to transfer in Q1-Q2 next year after we've banked enough. I'm going with 3 euploid embryos per 1 baby that I would like to have, so 9 euploids = 3 babies, based on internet research and what my doc said. Am I correct in thinking that should be enough? What are some factors what a euploid might not stick or results in a miscarriage? Should I request some more tests before starting transfers?

ERA ALICE EMMA seem to have popped up in my research and I need to ask my doctor about it. Making these embryos is so hard work, and expensive, so I'm not sure I want to waste them if my uterus isn't going to be receptive. But equally do I want to put myself through a biopsy when it may not be needed. Any thoughts ?

Dochas12111 · 26/11/2024 14:43

@GreatEggSpectations there can be reasons and no reasons. I have friends who had euploids not take on one round but then got pregnant the next without changing a thing. I have friends waiting to see if this happens for them after a failed euploid transfer where they did loads of tests and everything came back fine. Then there are people with failed euploid transfers who found issues with immunes and had many more failed transfers trying to sort that out with specialists such as dr gorgy and dr sheata and trying loads of different immunes techniques such as IVIG LAD and LIT for example or those who found progesterone and microbiome were behind failures.

Honestly though if I were you I would do lots of pre testing. Seems odd you’re happy to go through loads of egg collections and up to 9 transfers and dealing with the trauma or fails or miscarriages of those but for some reason baulk at getting a biopsy/some bloods….

GreatEggSpectations · 26/11/2024 19:57

Dochas12111 · 26/11/2024 14:43

@GreatEggSpectations there can be reasons and no reasons. I have friends who had euploids not take on one round but then got pregnant the next without changing a thing. I have friends waiting to see if this happens for them after a failed euploid transfer where they did loads of tests and everything came back fine. Then there are people with failed euploid transfers who found issues with immunes and had many more failed transfers trying to sort that out with specialists such as dr gorgy and dr sheata and trying loads of different immunes techniques such as IVIG LAD and LIT for example or those who found progesterone and microbiome were behind failures.

Honestly though if I were you I would do lots of pre testing. Seems odd you’re happy to go through loads of egg collections and up to 9 transfers and dealing with the trauma or fails or miscarriages of those but for some reason baulk at getting a biopsy/some bloods….

Ok thank you for the tip!
What pre testing would you suggest?

InvisibleDreamer · 26/11/2024 20:28

@GreatEggSpectations I heard somewhere that the reason for at least 50% of miscarriages is still unknown. I don’t know how accurate that is but other than genetic issues often no answer can be found. Why some embryos implant and others don’t also is unknown. I would do some research into the various tests available and decide what you think is worth paying for as they won’t be covered on the nhs. Dr Gorgy wanted me to have around £3K of tests which was far more than I was prepared to pay so I researched what they all were and went for the ones I felt had the most evidence or relevance to me.

GreatEggSpectations · 26/11/2024 21:11

@InvisibleDreamer do you mind sharing which tests you landed on? And did you find them useful?
Appreciate it's also individual and what works for one person might not work for another but I'd like to hear various people's experiences

InvisibleDreamer · 26/11/2024 21:26

@GreatEggSpectations I had an endometrial biopsy which didn’t pick up any issues and was quite painful so not one personally I’d want to repeat! and also a few blood tests for MHTFR mutations & Factor VI which I think was to do with folic acid metabolism & blood clotting. I think I may have had some other blood tests but I can’t remember what for now. Most of my results were in range but a few were on the high side so I just ended up on a higher dose of steroids. I was recommended additional treatment but I knew I wouldn’t be able to travel to London in the first trimester and also I didn’t feel like there was enough evidence to justify the expense so I decided to just stick with the higher dose of steroid plus my IVF clinic had me on clexane and aspirin anyway as a precaution.

GreatEggSpectations · 26/11/2024 21:45

InvisibleDreamer · 26/11/2024 21:26

@GreatEggSpectations I had an endometrial biopsy which didn’t pick up any issues and was quite painful so not one personally I’d want to repeat! and also a few blood tests for MHTFR mutations & Factor VI which I think was to do with folic acid metabolism & blood clotting. I think I may have had some other blood tests but I can’t remember what for now. Most of my results were in range but a few were on the high side so I just ended up on a higher dose of steroids. I was recommended additional treatment but I knew I wouldn’t be able to travel to London in the first trimester and also I didn’t feel like there was enough evidence to justify the expense so I decided to just stick with the higher dose of steroid plus my IVF clinic had me on clexane and aspirin anyway as a precaution.

Amazing! And did you get your 🌈 👶🏻? ❤️❤️❤️

hopefullsosbry · 07/12/2024 15:21

@Dochas1211 @Dochas12111 thank you so much for sharing all this information. I am on my 3rd cycle .. currently awaiting to see how many of my fertilised eggs get to blast stage. I had a question I hope you don’t mind, I got an endometrial biopsy that flagged up a bacterial infection in the uterus which I have had antibiotics for, you mention taking probiotic also for this, just wondering how long you need to take these and can these change over time again as you mention having this retested ? Is this something I should re test after my antibiotics to check all is fine ? And any other tips for this area or issues ? Thanks

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