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Free Swims Axed

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snowdropz · 17/06/2010 20:11

so now they are removing the free swims.. what a total and utter disgrace...

I simply can not believe that this is being implemented.

Swimming is a healthy activity that both young and old can enjoy!

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EnglandAllenPoe · 17/06/2010 22:55

um, i think its mostly people who can afford to pay for swimming anyway who will send their kids to do it. the cost is slight (in actual fact, the bus ride to our local swimming pool costs twice as much as the swimming)

if you are not currently eligible for Tax credits of any kind, your income is substantially higher than average.

we are on a high rate of Tax credts, though i'm sure if swimming was really important to me, we'd still do it. it isn't, though.

trefusis · 17/06/2010 22:57

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funkychunkymunky · 17/06/2010 22:59

Free swimming??? I didn't know there was such a thing. I pay £10 a lesson for my 7 month old dd...

funkychunkymunky · 17/06/2010 22:59
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HerBeatitude · 17/06/2010 23:01

I dont' understand why you all say that only
rich people used the scheme.

What evidence is there for that?

scrappydappydoo · 17/06/2010 23:02

Well I think its sad but accept that cuts have to made somewhere and I agree that it will discourage people from using leisure centres. I am more angry with them cutting hospital building projects, investment in industry and young peoples employment schemes.
Danjarmouse I think thats an amazing price - our local leisure centre charges over £40 per person per month for equivalent membership NOT including swimming lessons... I cannot afford £120 a month - the only exercise I can afford to do regularly is walking..

edam · 17/06/2010 23:04

Makes excellent sense if you are a rabid Tory. Let the poor drown.

Funny how it was the rich who dropped us into the shit but it's ordinary people who are paying for it. Wonder how much money we'd have saved if the government had just sacked Fred Fucking Goodwin instead of letting RBS give him a pay off. Enough for a few swimming lessons, I'll bet.

EnglandAllenPoe · 17/06/2010 23:05

you don't have to be rich to afford the child rate for a swimming visit. but presumably you do have to be arsed to take your kids swimming.

wealthier households generally do more exercise of all kinds. so, in order to help that bottom 15% of households who would find it a burden (and possibly an even lower proportion would actually make use of the free facility), you make it free for 100% - not a targetted use of resources?

toccatanfudge · 17/06/2010 23:06

oh crap.

DS1 has started (free) swimming lessons at school this term. Was hoping to start taking them all swimming once he's gained a bit more confidence

Can understand why - but I was actually looking forward to be able to take them out and do something active and fun like swimming (DS's hate football so kicking a ball around the park lasts precisely 2 minutes).

hornofplenty · 17/06/2010 23:07

Good, it always struck me as daft that I was not paying for something that I was happy to pay for. Maybe we could keep free swimming for those on benefits though.

Ponders · 17/06/2010 23:07

EnglandAllenPoe "in actual fact, the bus ride to our local swimming pool costs twice as much as the swimming"

Well, quite. And there are plenty of families for whom bus fare plus paying for swimming means it will now be way too expensive.

MmeRedWhiteandBlueberry · 17/06/2010 23:09

We are above average income but cannot afford gym membership for our council-run leisure centre.

We did sign up for free swimming and used it once.

The taxpayer handouts are not big enough for us to make use of them, nor is the end result particularly enticing.

It is pretty hard to beat walking either for its cost, or its time investment.

toccatanfudge · 17/06/2010 23:11

well.........as my DS's walk every where every single day they kind of like to do something "different" in terms of activity

DS1 will be disappointed though, told him that if he continues coming on in leaps and bounds wit his swimming at school then we'd start going (could only recently take all 3DS's on my own as I had too many children under 8 to take on my own - and now he's 9 I was still unsure of taking them while DS1 couldn't swim at all so I'd still have 3 non swimmers to keep an eye on)

ivykaty44 · 17/06/2010 23:12

It is short sighted

I can understand that cuts have to be made. It isn't something I would cut and I would probably cut something else first but hay ho

I think sports in general is cut to the bottom o the pile and then when we don't win golds or people get fatter and have no where to go and play sport people complain.

it is proved over and over agian that exersise helps to prolong life and gives a feeling of well being and also helps mental issues. All these things can help cut costs - over time far greater than stopping the swimming plan.

ChuckBartowski · 17/06/2010 23:16

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HerBeatitude · 17/06/2010 23:24

The value of the scheme, is that it encouraged people not only to swim, but to get active in other ways as well. I started going swimming with my kids when the scheme was introduced and we now go twice a week, plus a couple of bike rides a week. The two things feed into each other (I also run at least twice or three times a week - I didn't do any of this before I started swimming).

If you do one sport, you tend to do another as you are more motivated - and long term, it saves the country money to have an active, fit, healthy population, rather than a lardy lazy one. Without that one sport, keeping up the other ones would be harder, when you have a running injury you can still swim or cycle, when your shoulders are knackered from swimming, you can still run, when you're sick of cycling you can swim...the more access people have to the more activities, the more likely they are to stay active, and the less they cost the health service, CJ system, SS, etc. I don't think it should necessarily be free, but at a tenner a throw, lots of families will now longer do it weekly and I think that's the minimum you need for it to be a normal, regular part of your life.

I think the other value of the scheme actually, is that it promoted the idea of not sitting on your big fat arse in front of your playstation eating chips, as a Good Thing. It said something about our long term aspirations for our children as a country. Now we're back to playstations, lager and diabetes, which long term, will cost us far more, both culturally and financially. I really wonder why we think we've got the right to host the Olympics, actually.

cat64 · 17/06/2010 23:46

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PosyPetrovaPauline · 17/06/2010 23:50

Thanks Tory / Lib dems
I'll make sure my teens know this when they go to vote next time

ibangthedrums · 18/06/2010 08:24

I am as anti tory as the best of them - however where do we all think the cuts will come from if not from areas like this?

As someone else said, I would prefer to pay for swimming than lose a teaching assistant (which may happen anyway!). We simply cannot have it all anymore. In our own lives would we not pay the rent in order to go swimming - probably not.

mustrunmore · 18/06/2010 08:27

Will I get my administration fee repaid then? I know it was tiny, but its the principle that I paid it thinking it would last.

lifeinagoldfishbowl · 18/06/2010 08:33

I like the way everyone is blaming the tories for taking it away when it was labour who put us in the position where we had to lose it to sort out the financial situation.

I am sure that the swimming would have helped with the nhs in the long term but I think we have to look at the NHS today and try and recoup money for that now rather than get further into debt in the hope that lower income families might go swimming and that in 40 years time their children might not be obese and a drain on their future governments money.

SpawnChorus · 18/06/2010 08:36

That's sad. We won't be able to take our DCs on their weekly swim now.

GiddyPickle · 18/06/2010 08:43

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 18/06/2010 08:47

The problem is, that swimming is good for everyone. It is important for children to learn to swim but perhaps a better scheme would have been to subsidise the cost for everybody, rather than making it free for some.

I read (though haven't looked at the stats so don't know if it is true) that this scheme didnt substantially increase the number of children swimming, it mostly meant that those who usually went swimming anyway got to go for free.

southeastastra · 18/06/2010 08:58

i reckon the country can 'afford' alot more that the tories are making out.

if not tax the higher earners, simple.

you can't tell me that the system is fairly set up when some can afford the lifestyle that they can.

i remember the tory cuts last time. kids and working class industries cut first.