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So should anyone with a criminal record...

40 replies

sharbieinbackofthequattro · 03/06/2010 16:39

..be able to obtain a firearms licence??

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LetThereBeRock · 03/06/2010 19:49

I'm more comfortable with eating game meat than most farmed meat.

LetThereBeRock · 03/06/2010 19:50

He did I'm sure. I do wonder why it wasn't revoked due to the theft charge(s).

lljkk · 03/06/2010 19:55

I dunno, Seeker, I see your point, it has no appeal for me either.

BUT I don't want laws passed about my arguably weirdo pastimes, so I have to start with the premise of respecting other people's strange preferences unless the case against them is absolutely compelling; and I'm not sure this one is (yet?).

mayorquimby · 04/06/2010 12:08

"Why would anyone else need one? "

Protection I presume. If I lived in the states or could legally hold a gun for protection over here then I would.

Kathyjelly · 04/06/2010 12:22

You can get a firearms licence as long as you have never received a custodial sentence. But it is also at the chief constable's discretion which allows him to look at anyone who's had depression and take advice from other agencies such as social services. How many people get sent to jail for domestic violence and yet there are plenty of offenders whom I wouldn't trust with a shotgun.

Having said that, one of my best friends is a game keeper and a key member of the local search & rescue team. Now 50 he works with the police all the time. He holds both shotgun & firearms licences for his job. Yet he has two convictions for TDA when he was a teenager. So there are no hard and fast rules.

Coolfonz · 04/06/2010 15:42

It should be legal to hunt politicians though. Give them a five minute start...make great live TV...

seeker · 04/06/2010 18:53

'Protection I presume. If I lived in the states or could legally hold a gun for protection over here then I would.'

and exactly how does having a gun protect you? And from what?

mayorquimby · 05/06/2010 10:33

well if one other person had a gun in cumbria it may well have protected them from a dangerous criminal who was shooting people.

Nancy66 · 05/06/2010 11:54

Very few people should be allowed to own and keep guns in their home. Why do you need a rifle in a terraced house in a residential area?

Ryoko · 05/06/2010 13:13

What has a criminal record to do with anything?.

plenty of people are considered fine upstanding citizens until they kill someone, a criminal record doesn't instantly mean they are a nutter who is going to shoot people.

Gun licences need to be issued based on need, I see very few people as needing a gun, those involved in firearms sports and vets I think thats about it.

CantSupinate · 05/06/2010 13:17

Lots of other people in Cumbria have guns, mayorquimby, they just aren't instantly accessible for the moment when somebody else goes on a shooting spree -- and all the evidence is that when guns are that available, lots and lots of innocent people get killed in domestic accidents.

seeker · 05/06/2010 15:17

" well if one other person had a gun in cumbria it may well have protected them from a dangerous criminal who was shooting people."

That really is a very silly statement!

wannaBe · 05/06/2010 18:56

While what happened in Cumbria is tragic beyond most peoples' comprehension, I do think that a bit of perspective is needed.

There are a million licenced fire arms in this country. In the past approx 20 years there have been only three instances where someone has gone on the rampage like this with a gun. In hungerford, Dunblane (sp?) and now in Cumbria.

The reality is that if a nutter wants to get a gun and kill a load of innocent people, no gun law is going to prevent him from doing that.

Tightening the gun laws will only serve to make the public think they are safer.

And yet people die in other ways every day and we don't hear calls for tighter laws.

E.g. how many people do you suppose were killed by drunk drivers in the past year? And yet a drunk driver can kill someone, might possibly get a custodial sentence and a three year ban, but after that he is free to drive his car again. He wouldn't be able to own a gun after that so that's ok, but he'd be free to go to the nearest pub and get back behind the wheel of his car under the influence. Why are there no calls for laws preventing drunk drivers from driving for the rest of their lives?

While not everyone agrees with people owning and using guns, hundreds of people do so without any intent on harming innocent people. Why should hundreds of thousands of innocent people be penalized because of one nutter who could probably just as easily havelaid his hands on an illegal weapon if he'd had the desire to do so?

Ryoko · 06/06/2010 10:25

I agree, IMO shit happens, a nutter will use anything to hand, be it a gun legal or not, a kitchen knife etc, IMHO he would have killed more people if he just used his cab, imagine how many people he could have mowed down on the pavements?.

There will always be nutters and from time to time one will go postal, it's a fact of life and there is nothing that can be done to prevent it.

The only question in my mind about all this is how come the police couldn't stop him.

amothersplaceisinthewrong · 06/06/2010 21:39

Yes, but he had had it renewed by post at least once.....(rather than being visited/assessed)

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