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The US oil spill is a salutory lesson?

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OrmRenewed · 02/06/2010 08:03

DAvid Strahan.

"To pull it off, the President will have to resist the temptation to succumb to a xenophobic blame game, but if he does, and uses the slick to steer America towards a more sustainable energy policy, we should all be thanking BP"

This has occurred to me in quiet moments. For a country wedded to the internal combusion engine, with big long roads, and relatively cheap petrol, this might help to concentrate the collective mind.

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maktaitai · 02/06/2010 08:09

I think any suggestion of thanking BP at the moment is fairly insulting tbh. An American author might write this (is he?), but I don't think we should be insulting Americans on this site as a result of a British company's f-up. Particularly commenting on the transport issues of a country that is approx 50 times the size of this one.

OrmRenewed · 02/06/2010 08:13

Have you read the article maktaitai?

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OrmRenewed · 02/06/2010 08:14

And who's insulting Americans?

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Callisto · 02/06/2010 08:16

It may, but Barack still has a massive uphill striggle to green up the US economy. The oil lobby is all powerful with endless pockets.

Callisto · 02/06/2010 08:18

Also, I don't think anyone in their right mind will ever thank BP for what is the single worst environmental disaster we've seen. The only very vague and slightly silver lining is that it has happened off the US coast so BP is being forced to do something rather than cover it up.

OrmRenewed · 02/06/2010 08:20

"Never mind that more oil is spilled every year in the Niger Delta, where Shell and Exxon are the big operators, and which supplies 40 per cent of US oil imports, without a peep of American protest. Never mind that despite the hyperventilation the slick is still relatively small by historical and international comparison"

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OrmRenewed · 02/06/2010 08:21

No of course they won't thank BP. That's hyperbole. But this happening in the US might highlight that the damage the oil industry does all the time.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 02/06/2010 08:53

Its a difficult one really in the States. From the central areas that I know a little of, whole small town communities are dying off. The nearest hospitals, shopping areas, schools etc are all considerable driving distances. People in those communities don't have the money to invest in new transport technology.

Look at Detroit - once a proud city, now dying because of the loss of much of the American automobile industry.

The States have been hit very hard by the recession, emerging out of it using green solutions would be ideal, but can they afford it?

But for those who blame purely bp for this, don't forget the roles of Transocean and Halliburton.
I'm not sure if bp will survive this.

OrmRenewed · 02/06/2010 09:12

On Today this morning it was suggested that BP should sell off it's US operating arm. Big reduction for BP but it will be so hard to operate there now. But that enables the rest of the oil industry to escape blame and remain whiter than white - which would be grossly unfair and risk allowing the big problem to be shelved again.

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Rob1n · 02/06/2010 11:30

It's a huge wake up call. We should have done something about reducing our dependence on fossil fuels years ago. This doesn't just mean using the car less, big lifestyle changes are needed and fast, before it's too late.
Think about all the things that come back to oil. One major point is that 80% of our fruit & veg is air freighted, we need a massive revivial in sustainable farming and growing our own. Also, all the things that are shipped in, do we actually make anything ourselves in this country anymore? No it comes from China. We need to get some industry back in this country. We should be trying to preserve oil for things we need it for that can't be obtained anywhere else, not carrying on filling our cars to drive unnecessarily like there's no tomorrow.
I worry that our government is not doing enough, but we can't just leave it to the government. We need to act as a community and let the government know that we are serious about this as a country.
It worries me that we will suddenly find ourselves in serious trouble one day if we don't do something. I worry about what the future will be like for our children.

Strix · 02/06/2010 12:01

Whilst Transocean and Halliburton were involved (it was transoceans rig that blew up and Halliburton cemented the well) it appears at this stage as if BP is mostly to blame. Halliburton raise the discrepancies in the data to say something was not right. BP basically told them to shut up and carry on. And the rest is history... including, sadly, 11 people's lives.

BP has now publicly accepted the blame, which I doubt they would do if they thought there was even a chance of escaping a guilty verdict.

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May 12 (Bloomberg) ? A Gulf of Mexico oil well failed a pressure test hours before a drilling rig exploded last month, an executive for well owner BP Plc told the U.S. House Energy Committee that?s investigating the incident.

Such pressure tests are aimed at ensuring the integrity of cement poured into the well to keep out natural gas, said Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, a California Democrat, citing a report to the panel from James Dupree, BP senior vice president for the Gulf. The tests before the April 20 blast showed ?discrepancies? in pressure levels, Waxman said. ?There was something happening in the well bore that shouldn?t be happening,? Steven L. Newman, chief executive officer of rig owner Transocean Ltd., said today in testimony.

The committee is investigating the explosion that killed 11 workers, sank Transocean?s $365 million Deepwater Horizon rig, and triggered a spill that threatens the Gulf Coast from Louisiana to Florida with more than 3 million gallons of oil. The panel also is probing equipment meant to prevent spills at deepwater wells and whether human error played a role.

?BP, one of the largest oil companies, assured Congress and the public that it could operate safely in deep water and that a major oil spill was next to impossible,? Waxman said. ?We now know those assurances were wrong.?

At least eight congressional panels have set hearings on the incident. Executives from BP, Transocean and Halliburton Co. testified yesterday before the Senate Energy and Natural Resources and the Environment and Public Works committees. The same executives are appearing before the House panel today.

Hydraulic Leak

The House committee staff found that a device to prevent spills, the blowout preventer, had a hydraulic system leak, said Representative Bart Stupak, a Michigan Democrat. Timothy Probert, president of global business lines at Houston-based Halliburton, told a Senate panel yesterday and the House committee today that had the device not failed, the ?catastrophe? might have been avoided.

?The blowout preventer apparently had a significant leak,? Stupak said. ?This leak was found in the hydraulic system that provides emergency power to the shear rams, which are the devices that are supposed to cut the drill pipe and seal the well.?

The leak was found after the explosion by remote-controlled robots attempting to activate the device and stanch the estimated 5,000 barrels of oil a day flowing into the Gulf. The blowout preventer also had been modified in ?unexpected ways,? prior to the blast, and may not have been strong enough to cut the drill pipe and shut the well, Stupak said.

?Serious Questions?

?BP promised to make safety its number one priority,? Stupak said. ?This hearing will raise serious questions about whether BP and its partners fulfilled this commitment. The safety of its entire operations rested on the performance of a leaking and apparently defective blowout preventer.?

The blowout preventers made by Cameron International Corp. will shear and seal drill pipe and won?t shear and seal the casing, President Jack Moore said today in testimony.

Halliburton completed cementing the well 5,000 feet below the surface at 12:35 a.m. on the day of the explosion, Waxman said. A pressure test was conducted about 5 p.m. to determine if gas was leaking into the well.

Dupree told committee staff members on May 10 that the test was ?not satisfactory,? and was ?inconclusive,? because pressure discrepancies were recorded. Waxman said.

Second Test

A second test also produced results that weren?t satisfactory, Waxman said. It showed pressure on the drill pipe, running from the rig deep into the well, was 1,400 pounds per square inch. Zero pressure was observed on so-called kill and choke lines, which run from the rig platform to the sea bed.

Pressures should be the same on all three lines, Dupree told the committee staff. The results could signal that gas was causing pressure to build inside the well, Dupree told staff, according to Waxman. ?The significance of the discrepancy between the two pressures would lead to a conclusion? something was happening in the well bore, Transocean?s Newman said today.

Halliburton?s Probert said it was premature to conclude ?a catastrophic failure of the casing of cement? was the cause of the blast.

Dupree told staff that he believed the well exploded moments after the second pressure test, Waxman said. That contradicts an account from BP?s lawyers that further well tests were conducted about 8 p.m. The result of that test led BP to proceed with well operations, Waxman said.

Transocean, BP Debate

?Information reviewed by the committee describes an internal debate between Transocean and BP personnel about how to proceed,? Waxman said. ?What we do know is that shortly before 10 p.m., just two hours after well operations apparently resumed, gas surged from the well up the riser and the rig exploded in a fireball.?

BP lowered a small ?top hat? oil-containment dome to the floor of the Gulf today, advancing a second attempt to funnel oil from the leaking well to a ship on the surface. The unit must be connected by pipes to the ship before installation and is still expected to be working by the end of the week, Mark Proegler, a spokesman for the London-based company, said in an interview today

Strix · 02/06/2010 12:02

And in the spirit of escaping blame, I did not make that space. MN did!

noddyholder · 02/06/2010 12:04

Orm couldn't agree more.the lesson of this disaster will unfold eventually hopefully

OrmRenewed · 02/06/2010 12:49

I hope so noddy.

It's a terrible disaster, and heart-breaking to see the pictures, but as the article says it happens elsewhere in the world and no-one seems to give a shit. This particular spill can't be ignored. It was BP this time but it could have been/has been other companies responsible. Don't want BP to be seen as the only bad apple when the industry is fairly dirty but we put up with it because it's convenient.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 02/06/2010 13:12

Interesting report Strix.

Rob1n - where do you get your figure from? I've had a quick hunt and can't find much but:

guardian article says:
"The UK imports about 90% of its fruit and 60% of its vegetables. While the vast majority come by sea ? Fair Trade bananas from the West Indies, for instance, are regularly delivered to Southampton and Portsmouth ? some of the more exotic inhabitants of the UK's shops come by air."

There wasn't that much disruption on the shelves when the ash grounded flights.

Earlybird · 02/06/2010 14:19

From news reports in America:

BP CEO Tony Hayward said on Sunday, ?There?s no one who wants this over more than I do. I would like my life back.? It?s the latest in his roll of insensitive comments about the disaster his company created. Earlier highlights include, ?What the hell did we do to deserve this?? and, ?I think the environmental impact of this disaster is likely to be very, very modest.?

Words fail me.

Strix · 02/06/2010 14:36

What I don't understand is why everyone is focussed on the oil slick and no one seems to care about the 11 dead humans.

Who were they? What compensation with their widows and children get? Personally, I think they have been wronged more than the guy whose crabshack can't sell oily fish.

sarah293 · 02/06/2010 14:53

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Strix · 02/06/2010 15:30

Riven, I agree with the bit you wrote in the second paragraph of your post. But, what is the source on the bit you quoted?

Strix · 02/06/2010 15:40

Oh sorry, it was from OP's orignal link. I don't think David Strahan really has a grasp on this particular situation. I also think he is a bit of a peak oil hysteria sensationalist.

We haven't run out of oil. And lots of oil can not be accessed for political rather technological reasons.

But, in the long term, the point is still valid that we are consuming faster than it can be replaced.

Nuclear power, anybody?

Coolfonz · 02/06/2010 15:51

This is my subject...

David is only partially correct. There is shedloads of easy oil to get. But it is off limits politically, notably in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia and so on. Even if Iraq gets going at half the pace people expect it is going to add in the region of 3-4mn b/d.
Global warming is opening the Arctic regions up as well.

Transport fuel demand in the US and EU has likely peaked as the recession kills demand and allows a space for the transport fleet to turn over, meaning cars become more efficient. There is such a thing as demand-led peak oil theory as well...

I still believe in peak oil however, although if i told my work place i'd be fired, but it is about the failure of the modern political-economic system, not because there aren't enough hydrocarbons on the planet to make a transition.

It was the oil price that was the catalyst for the recession - it undid the concept of perpetually low interest rates - and i would hazard a guess it will be the catalyst for the next one. Clue: between November and March China added ~1.5mn b/d of demand...like, ouch man...

Oh and people die in the oil industry all the time...16 died in a BP-contractor helicopter accident in the UK north sea just 18 months(ish?) ago...

BP will survive this easily. On the BIG upside call it a $10bn cost, likely to be half that. They will contest it, they will fight in the courts, fight Transocean, in the end when you pump ~4mn boe/d you can pay it.

I think Tony Hayward is a bit fucked though, have a look at what BP were saying about their technological expertise at the full year results in End-Jan/earlyFebruary (?)...bigging up the Tiber field, 35,055ft, drilled by...Deepwater Horizon...

Coolfonz · 02/06/2010 15:54

Oh...and...they have the tech to drill the wells, but not to deal with them if they fuck up...that is only half the technology needed...the rest of the industry will be going thank the Lord Dollar that wasn't us...

Strix · 02/06/2010 16:17

"Oh and people die in the oil industry all the time...16 died in a BP-contractor helicopter accident in the UK north sea just 18 months(ish?) ago..."

Yes, again, a bad decision by BP to take unnecessary risks -- the weather in this case. That chopper should not have taken off.

I wonder if Lord Brown is thinking "Thank God I stepped down"

Coolfonz · 02/06/2010 16:31

Lord Browne oversaw 15 dead and over 170 injured at the Texas City refinery explosion in 2005.

The head of refining John Manzoni objected to visiting the site at the time as he was on holiday. BP's internal report the Bonse reported Manzoni knew little about refining and had made no effort to boost his knowledge.

John Manzoni was punished by becoming chief executive of Talisman Energy, Canada's largest (i think?) upstream company and Lord Browne was castigated into a highly lucrative position as an MD of the Riverstone Group...

That's power baby...

Rob1n · 02/06/2010 18:49

"I'd like to see oil treated as a precious resource and less used for trabnsport. After all, trabsport can use other methods or be more efficient but plastics which are vital still need oil."

Another vote for that Riven. Why is it that we aren't trying to preserve it to give us better chance of getting some alternatives in place. It won't be a disaster if it runs out, but it will be a disaster if we haven't prepared for it. I mean there are alternative fuels like ethanol and biofuels, but they use up land needed for food. And electric cars are all very well, but they will put too much pressure on a national grid that is already overstretched (there's another question, I don't see much development in terms of renewable energy). We need lifestye changes that mean we don't need to be so reliant on fuel and cars.

OhYouBadKitten - it's quoted in a baby & toddler cookbook i've got by Lizzie Vann of Organix. I don't always believe everything i read but you only need to look at the labels to see how much of the stuff is from other countries. Although apologies, I should have said imported rather than air freighted. Either way, ships need gas too. Beans from Kenya, Tomatoes from Morocco, Potatoes from Italy, Strawberries from Egypt, blueberries from Chile, Asparagus from Peru, a whole host of stuff from Spain...the list goes on..... Not to mention all the other storecupboard stuff we import