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so here i am watching the news about niger

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Heathcliffscathy · 22/07/2005 22:23

and crying. and seeing ds in all of the starving childrens' faces. and knowing that it isn't nature to blame but every one of us. i know i'm always doing this, but i just feel so awful about the state of the world at the moment.

the famine in niger was predicted years ago. we obviously on a governmental level haven't given a toss.

we worry about being blown up by a terrorist. we tolerate a world where people are starving to death. we wonder why people are angry and hate-filled at us at the west.

i had really good news today. we exchanged on a house ending a long process of house hunting and i can't feel anything but over indulged and despairing. and so angry.

we spend billions on slaughtering civilians in iraq. and begrudge pennies to africa.

i don't even know why i'm posting this except that i don't know what to do with myself.

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soapbox · 02/08/2005 12:01

40p is indeed nothing to me - and I have already made a large donation!

You on teh other hand are a piss poor speciman of the human race! If there are contraceptives going free please send them to LB222 - wouldn't like to see her breeding - god forbid they might turn out to be as bigotted as she is

Lizzylou · 02/08/2005 12:01

THanks Janh, I was trying to work out how to post a link to threads!

Toothache · 02/08/2005 12:01

Beat me to it Janh!

Toothache · 02/08/2005 12:02

ggglimpopo - Nicely put!

lemonice · 02/08/2005 12:03

\link{http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4696149.stm\No Clothes or Food Here)

lemonice · 02/08/2005 12:03

No Clothes

Lizzylou · 02/08/2005 12:03

Spent too much in Ralph Lauren and The White Company then LLB?
Spend what you like on whatever you like LLB, but don't plead poverty when you have no concept of what being without means in the slightest!

loulabelle222 · 02/08/2005 12:04

i am at my mums dont pay for it! it isn't really any of your buisness is it? i am just working my socks of first day off in ages and getting nothing out of it!

QueenOfQuotes · 02/08/2005 12:05

Yes - but your mum obviously can afford it, so if the very worst did happen she'd probably be able tos upport you.....most of these people have no family to support them as even distant relatives are in the same position.

lemonice · 02/08/2005 12:06

Sorry Bundle the bit about the economy wasn't in reply what you said..I apologise if it sounded as though it was

loulabelle222 · 02/08/2005 12:06

yea lizzylou every penny that i work for ... got a problem with that? I DONT DONATE MONEY TO CHARITY I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE i help people individually. but that makes me such a bad person doesn't it!

bundle · 02/08/2005 12:07

ah but you made it our business, llb22, by spouting about pointlessness of giving to charities and being so hard up that you couldn't afford to donate 40p, but could, erm, see the point in nice designer baby clothes.

lemonice · 02/08/2005 12:07

you can help people individually and offer compassion to others too

bundle · 02/08/2005 12:08

(s'aright lemonice, never took it that way, just acknowledging you are much more eloquent )

ggglimpopo · 02/08/2005 12:08

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Toothache · 02/08/2005 12:09

LLB222 - It really is your own decision what you spend your money on.... and in any normal circumstance it really is none of our business..... but you come on a public forum voicing opinions about the crisis in Niger.... illuminating us with your 'theories' about how this could be avoided.... critisising posters who really want to help and are trying to....

You really do bring this upon yourself. But I know you don't really care coz at the end of the day you can just switch off your PC and go shopping!!!!!

bundle · 02/08/2005 12:09

ggglimpopo

Lizzylou · 02/08/2005 12:09

As I said (please read posts LLB, makes life soo much easier!) I don't give a rats ass what you spend your money on, but you have no concept of what poverty is....can't afford 40p to donate to starving children? I think even you will have to agree that that sounds daft coming from someone who constantrly shouts about how much they spend on designer clothes!
I don't think that you're a bad person for not donating money to charity, I do think that you are ignorant of the issues and your osts today have only highlghted your desire to stay that way

lemonice · 02/08/2005 12:09

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MORE > Last Updated: Tuesday, 26 July, 2005, 17:37 GMT 18:37 UK

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Q&A: Food crises and aid
As a severe food crisis strikes Niger and hunger looms in neighbouring Mali, Burkina Faso and Mauritania, the BBC News website asks what lies behind such food shortages and examines how hungry people are helped.

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What causes a severe food crisis?
Serious food crises occur when people cannot get enough nutritious food to eat.

They can be triggered by natural disasters, conflict, political instability, economic failure or even epidemics such as HIV.

Famine occurs when several of these factors are made worse by governments' failure to deal with the situation.

Food prices are driven up, overwhelming systems of health, law and order and causing widespread death from malnutrition and disease.

What does it mean when someone is acutely malnourished?

Children and breast-feeding women are particularly vulnerable to hunger

Acute malnutrition is the result of sudden weight loss due to starvation and disease.

Characterised by "wasting" - which means children are far skinnier for their height than healthy children - acute malnutrition often leads to rapid death as it increases the risk of infection and can mean that vital organs stop working.

Acute malnutrition, if caught in time and treated correctly, can be treated but it may have long-term effects on physical and mental growth.

More than 50 million children worldwide are acutely malnourished.

How do aid agencies keep track of hunger?

They already know which areas are most at risk and use a wide variety of tools to measure changes in food availability.

These include satellite weather technology to estimate rainfall and crop assessments which can help predict harvests.

They also carry out nutritional surveys so that they know how much people are eating and also examine the political situation which might affect the hunger of a population.

Local staff in the field also channel information from the ground.

Areas of hunger can change dramatically within a single country and these tools create a picture of areas that need special help.

How and when do aid agencies intervene?

The World Health Organization considers a situation to be "emergency out-of-control" when four children of every 10,000 die per day from malnutrition and other causes.

ACUTE MALNUTRITION IN UNDER-FIVES

Afghanistan 25%
Somalia 17%
Cambodia 15%
Laos 15%
United Arab Emirates 15%
Madagascar 14%
Niger 14%
Sri Lanka 14%
Burkina Faso 13%
Source: Unicef

Mapping hunger

Non-governmental organisations, aid agencies and charities are often present long before crises erupt.

But when they are and the local government cannot handle the problem alone, major emergency operations are initiated to get much larger quantities of food aid to hungry people.

Food can be on the ground in as little as 48 hours.

But aid agencies rely entirely on donations from the public and private donors for their work and if money is not provided, there may be little they can do to help.

What are people given to eat and why?

The World Food Programme emergency ration includes about one and a half cups of rice or flour, a tablespoon of beans or lentils, a spoonful of oil and a pinch of salt.

It costs an average of $0.29 and provides 2,100 kilocalories - the recommended daily energy intake for active adults.

The people most at risk of malnutrition - especially women and children - often receive specially blended foods that contain all the vitamins and minerals they need to survive.

They may be given this food in biscuit form or in a flour which can be mixed into porridge.

The average cost of a day's ration of high-energy biscuits is $0.55.

In the very first days of an emergency - such as a refugee exodus or natural disaster - when people are not able to cook their own food - aid agencies can provide biscuits, rations or even freshly baked bread for people.

Where does food aid come from?

Food can be bought in the country affected, in neighbouring countries, from overseas or directly donated.

Buying food locally means that the locally economy is supported and food can arrive quicker.

In a crisis situation aid organisations use any means they can to transport food, by air, sea or land or even by elephant, donkey or yak.

They make a rapid calculation to decide which means will get the food there in time, at the lowest cost.

Toothache · 02/08/2005 12:10

No LLB222 - You're ignorance is what makes you 'sound' like a bad person!

Lizzylou · 02/08/2005 12:11

OOps, "posts" not "osts"

Janh · 02/08/2005 12:12

I saw a clip on the news the other night of a family of 6 sharing a roasted rat, and that was the most they'd had for days...

ggglimpopo · 02/08/2005 12:12

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acnebride · 02/08/2005 12:13

Loulabelle, I would agree with you that it is deeply depressing to see hunger return again and again, despite all the appeals and charities at work in Africa and elsewhere.

And yes, I believe there are major issues about how aid workers and aid itself can distort whatever economy does exist.

But I'm afraid your posts made me angry as well as others on here. When rises in population became a concern decades ago, all efforts were put into funding contraception and even forcing it on people. It doesn't work. If there is no pension provision, the only people who are going to look after you are your children, so having plenty is good planning. If your children are extremely likely to die before they are 5 years old, having plenty is good planning. Leaving aside any slavery issues

There is one of your posts where you mention medical staff in Africa - you're right there, it would help if we didn't invite them over as soon as they are trained. Thank goodness there are so many more medical schools here now - we might actually stop draining the developed world of workers.

And well done on your hospice walk.

csa · 02/08/2005 12:24

lemonice, 15% in UAE? really?

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