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Teenager fatally stabbed at London Victoria station

23 replies

Ewe · 26/03/2010 12:53

Such an incredibly sad story

The boys were all in school uniform. I commute through Victoria at this time on the days I work, it must have been terrifying for everyone involved, it's an insanely busy station.

It must be such a worry having a teenage boy in London, these type of things are just totally unnecessary.

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violetqueen · 26/03/2010 14:53

I'm wondering which school the dark blue uniform that the children were wearing relates to ?

Mariskaa · 26/03/2010 17:58

I heard it that some of the youth were from a school in Notting Hill and I guess it might be from a school near St Charles Hospital. I guess somewhere I did read that it had to do with schools from West London. The boy who has been killed was North African (probably Moroccan or Algerian)and the boys who are held in custody seem te be a gang of black boys. Very worrying as I do live in the area and my teenage son is going to a West London secondary school! On his school there were children who knew the person who has been killed. I do not understand how these West London boys were ending up in Victoria station - people were saying that there were problems lately between groups of boys. Do the parents not know that their sons are hanging around in Victoria at a time when they normaly should be home for dinner???
Henry Compton has a dark blue uniform and so does Burlington Danes (both in West London).

junglist1 · 26/03/2010 18:46

Adults ran away in terror again apparently. Typical.

mumblechum · 26/03/2010 18:50

London is the Seventh Circle of Hell so far as I'm concerned.

animula · 26/03/2010 21:19

That's so sad.

My ds travels by train to school and has had one nasty teenager incident already.

Poor child. Poor parents.

2shoes · 26/03/2010 21:22

sorry can't read the link, as anything like this terrifies me. so very sad, poor lad

MsFire · 26/03/2010 21:33

Am so sick of muggings of teenage boys. My elder ds was mugged by boy with knife on way to school at 8am. And just today gang of my other ds's friends were robbed in Dulwich Park, youth also had a knife. Police are always nice and effortful. But there are so many of these incidents, so many horrible feral youths and kids today have stuff worth stealing.

I don't know what to do. It makes me nervous every time my kids are out, even in day time in public places. I don't see why it should be like this. I guess they just wise up after a while to survive.

Thediaryofanobody · 26/03/2010 23:11

Junglist1Adults ran away in terror again apparently. Typical.

Thats a very unfair comment you have no idea how you would react in that sort of situation. A large gang of 15-17 olds come rushing into a building armed and you would just stand there?

I used to go through Victoria Station almost everyday, I don't ever remember it being over run by teenage gangs. Reading that article has made me relieved I left London, even though I still miss it and all the fabulous places and experience it has to offer.

bibbitybobbityhat · 26/03/2010 23:19

Very chilling. A good friend of ours was a witness and quoted in that article. DH is going out for a drink with him next week so will hear more then, no doubt.

galletti · 26/03/2010 23:25

mumblechum - you don't live in London, so please dont't make general comments like that. They doesn't help.

junglist1 · 27/03/2010 08:35

No I wouldn't just stand there at all as an adult. I tried stop a gang fight in a park by telling the boys to just beat him and not use knives. So why are you telling me I don't know how I'd react? I know boys in gangs personally, I know if you talk to them one on one they listen. I'm not scared of anyone and I don't shy away from anyone. And I wouldn't run away screaming as an adult while a child gets murdered in front of me.
So thanks for questionning my comment but I have personal experience so do know.

HellBent · 27/03/2010 08:47

"telling the boys to just beat him and not use knives" did that help?

I wouldn't go anywhere near a gang of boys this age, I'd have gone to the nearest person with a radio link to the police (done this before on nights out or in shopping centres) or the rail police and reported but would not intervene in this situation for my own safety, you read far too often of people helping being killed.

ImSoNotTelling · 27/03/2010 08:48

It's not a question of either trying to step in or running away and hiding.

There is an option of calling the police/alerting the station staff. I can never understand it when people see awful stuff happening and don't call the authorities, just walking away instead.

FWIW in this case though when you have gangs of teens surging around it can be hard to tell whether they are just doing surging and posturing or whether it is anything more serious IYSWIM. And these things can happen so quickly i don't think it's right to assume that the passers by didn't care.

junglist1 · 27/03/2010 09:00

Well they were going to hurt him, better to stab and possibly kill or just bash around? I couldn't drag them off there were too many so I bollocked them for using knives, trying to dent their pride implying they couldn't fight properly. Telling them to stop wouldn't have worked at all! Usually these fights are for revenge anyway. I just tried to stop it going further than it needed to. I don't remember half of what was said. But one of them listened. I can't believe it happened actually. I remember screaming "stop being so fucking stupid!"
It was kind of fight or flight, but these IMO are just fucked up children.

HellBent · 27/03/2010 09:22

These are fucked up children that are almost the same size as adults and I wouldn't intervene in an adult fight. If you were shouting you were lucky they didn't show you how well they could fight - on you or poor lad they were beating up!

junglist1 · 27/03/2010 09:29

They knew my face from the area, maybe that had something to do with it. They know I talk to everyone etc. With these kids if you talk to them on a level they respect you. I wasn't just abusing them I said do you want to waste your life in jail etc. I was just clutching at straws TBH.
They aren't wild animals. But a lot of them live in constant danger and become very very hard and defensive. They are shocked when an adult stops to talk to them, but respond like a "normal" teenager. So many boys have been killed near where I live. I've had enough of it

animula · 27/03/2010 09:55

I've been involved in one teenage violence incident, and I do think you have options other than just fleeing.

It was very fast, no time to find out whether I'd have managed the level of intervention you did, Junglist1 but ... what horrified me, and I mean horrified, was that people stepped over the boy who was down on the ground. People were pushing past us, tutting. The child/adolescent was bleeding.

People freeze, and they don't want to get involved. These were children, but big children. I suspect that, because I have a boy of my own, I could see they were boy children, and that's how I reacted.

I can see that people want desperately to think this is "someone else's problem", and use all sorts of distancing devices in order to protect themselves, and reassure themselves but it can be really unhelpful.

And look, part of the whole "Oooh Londoners" thing is a distancing move. It slides into "Well, you have choices - if you don't want this sort of thing to happen to your kids, don't live there", which then slides into "Well, you bring it on yourselves by living there".

London is a big city: 8 million? 10 million people? It is that big because it has a lot of jobs there that people can't do anywhere else. We can't all move to Cornwall. And why should we?

There is a problem with child on child violence. Just turning our heads away and singing "la, la, la" isn't going to get us very far.

junglist1 · 27/03/2010 10:02

It's awful that people could step over him . There's an attitude of those who are attacked are in gangs so they deserved it. Youths pick up on this, feel nobody cares, and are then accused of having chips on their shoulders.
Adults fear of teenagers, young black boys included, has to stop.

animula · 27/03/2010 10:03

That's it. Junglist1 you put that really well, I think that's what I was struggling towards.

ImSoNotTelling · 27/03/2010 10:54

There are a lot of very kind and caring people in London. We're not all shits. I have been on the receiving end of a lot of kindness from strangers over the years.

junglist1 · 27/03/2010 10:59

But are you a hoodie

ImSoNotTelling · 27/03/2010 11:22

I did once approach someone to ask them the time when i was a teen, and before I had a chance to open my mouth they said "I haven't got any spare change" and scarpered

A homeless man once offered me some food as well...

notquitenormal · 27/03/2010 11:42

This doesn't surprise me. It's no better where we live.

My 16yo brother has been mugged at knifepoint three times in the last two years. Once for 5p and a packet of gum (as he didn't have a phone to rob, someone else robbed that off him the week before.)

I went with him to the police station to give him statement the last time and they didn't give a shit. He was obviously shaken up and they just bollocked him for not being about to remeber the address of the freind he'd been visiting. No wonder he doesn't trust them...and he's a nice lad.

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