Children taken to Ireland by parents must return to UK

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Link here
www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0322/1224266805630.html

I am surprised there was no mention of this here, as I know of one MP on this site advising parent/s that Ireland is more "friendly" to families facing care proceedings in the UK.
Looks like the Irish courts are well aware of what is being attempted.

I also notice concerns were raised "about Mrs Haines because she is associated with a well known Member of Parliament who in turn is the principal motivator of an organisation which seeks to investigate family cases and is often highly critical of the Family Justice system."

Shout out from Lord Justice Wall to John Hemming!

The question is one of which of those assessments was performed be someone independent of the local authority.

By that I mean someone who does not depend upon the LA for their income.

If we were able to see the transcript of the hearings in the lower courts and all of the assessments you would come to a different view as I have.

Is that quote taken from the transcripts, Kevlar? If so, it's extremely worrying. Smacks of the authorities protecting their own interests and seeking to demonise anyone who challenges them. "How DARE these jumped up little ordinary people criticise our wonderful child protection system, don't they realise We Know Best?"

The transcript of the court of appeal judgment is linked above.

@Edam

Apparently the high court judge had concerns that the mother's McKenzie friend was only there to make a political point, rather than to represent the apellant's interests.

According to the appeal court judge though;

"We have been assured by Mrs Haines this afternoon, and I for my part have no difficulty in accepting, that she wishes to represent this mother on this application on the merits of this application. She is not making any form of political point. She is not seeking to score any form of political point. "

Family Law Week have more commentary on the ins and outs of this.

CAFCASS is in charge of ensuring that the decisions of LAs are aligned with the interests of the child, and are financially independent of any local authority.

Have they had any involvement with this case?

a) CAFCASS fail to do this.
b) Generally they rely on the same expert reports.

In part a is caused by b.

Can you explain the mechanism by which the hostile opinions of (presumably) senior social workers are disseminated to all front-line social workers, CAFCASS workers, charity workers and a number of experts working in different fields, and how adherence to these opinions is enforced over a period of many years?

"CAFCASS is in charge of ensuring that the decisions of LAs are aligned with the interests of the child, and are financially independent of any local authority."

Ohh goodey my favourite subject CAFCASS.

Firstly the head of cafcass is Anthony Douglas, he is also the head of BAAF, (no conflict of interest there) as his organisation not only make there money as a 'charity', but also by government grants and producing in conjunction with others (coram, tavistock clinic, anna fraud, etc) the training manuals and protocol for all CP organisations, they also sell place children for adoption (by firstly charging for the adopters to register, go on course and all the usual tat before they can be considered for placement)charge the LA's etc, etc, etc.

In some areas cafcass work with coram and other similar ( adoption) agencies in doing court work (assessing which children should be considered for adoption- whoops, I mean considering which parents are bad).

Cafcass officers are ex social workers and probation officers.

Cafcass officer continually work with there old mates from social services and you'll find cafcass officers will charge there view in the case as soon as social services get involved.

It should be noted that cafcass have been ranked 'unfit for purpose' in every area in the country. In two reports reports they were considered 'a danger to children'.

It's a conspiracy !!, no it's like the 'old boys network' you see anywhere else, it takes a very brave or very green 'expert' to step out of line and 'see' things differently.

That's a new appointment then, he doesn't look like the head of cafcass I met a couple of months ago, whose
photo is still on the website! What happened to David Holmes then?

Atlantis, you and JH have such shit views about the integrity of workers involved in proceedings that it's scary as well as fucking insulting. I'm actually really sick of how you both conduct yourselves
around these issues, but that's a personal view and I'll leave it to others to make up their minds.

"then, he doesn't look like the head of cafcass I met a couple of months ago,"

I can say with some certainty that Anthony douglas is the chief exec of cafcass and is also the chair of BAAF.

Unless the government finally got off their butts and sacked the guy, only Labour would keep a chief exec in post after all those years of 'not fit for purpose' reports.

"Atlantis, you and JH have such shit views about the integrity of workers involved in proceedings that it's scary ..."

Maybe because your the one sitting on the other side of the fence here, you see from the 'professionals' side, we see the BS that the families have to go through with everyone in the 'old boys club' ganging up on them.

How do you fight a system that is so biased and stacked against you that you aren't even allowed to call your own expert witnesses?

"...it's scary as well as fucking insulting."

I get parents telling me that all the time about being dragged into the world of social service.

The difference is you can air your views, if they dare to speak out they get shafted even harder.

You know I can't be bothered with your nastiness dressed up as defending the vulnerable. Good job for you that you found a cause, what shame it involves people in the worst of times.

According to reports of ofsted 14 babies were reported as having died of suspected abuse or neglect in January and February this year - one was a death in care.

This has been accompanies by an increase in children being taken into care.

My argument is that some practioners take the wrong children into care.

The figures in terms of sad deaths of babies seem to back up that argument.