Birth defects in Iraq - this has shocked me

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And I hope there is a robust investigation into this - right now

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I have been shocked by this too. I saw a report about it on the news last night and the doctor said that in her hospital two or three babies with defects are born everyday! The authorities are advising women there not to have children at all.

If that shocked you, what do you think of this:
www.afghanistanafterdemocracy.com/page10.html

That's how we "liberate" these poor people. I am ashamed.

calamari's link is really upsetting so please don't click if you are feeling emotional.

I've seen some of those photos before with captions claiming there were from Iraq.

I'm not saying that there isn't a problem, personally I believe that there is something going on, but that we should be careful about "spinning" from either side on this.

You are right - I might hav given out a warning. but if people don't look at such things, then they don't know what happens. this is not what our politicians want us to see. They shower us with beautify=ully made coffins, dead heroes inside, "coming home". They don't show the misery, suffering and carnage that has been inflicted on our "enemies" - and what have these "enemies" ever done to harm us?
To kill people in battle, sad, but part of war. To maim unborn babies and children in generations to come, by messing up their DNA and planting cancerous substances in them, that's not wr. The word for that is genocide.

"if people don't look at such things, then they don't know what happens."

People can look at such things and still not know what happens.

That web site is almost certainly not telling the complete truth and is distorting the facts and playing with your emotions as much as our politician do with their "dead heroes".

As said though I do personally believe that something very wrong is going on in places like Afghanistan and Iraq regarding the long term effects of the munitions uses in the conflict.

There were a lot of bad things going on, there ws torture in Abu Ghraib, and the US was allowed by the UK to use UK airports to transport people to be tortured. Why should we believe what they say about their weapons? If I see those picturs and do some research about the weapons, the time scale, the kind of disfigurements these children suffer - it all fits together. Sadly.

"There were a lot of bad things going on"

I agree completely.

"Why should we believe what they say about their weapons"

I'm not saying that we should, I'm actually saying quite the opposite that I believe that there are long term health problems being caused by the munitions out military are using.

"If I see those picturs and do some research about the weapons, the time scale, the kind of disfigurements these children suffer - it all fits together. Sadly."

But I have done and do look into these things, and as I've said I've seen some of those photos before with people claiming that there were from Iraq.

Clearly the people who post up those photos are as capable of lying as our Government's are.

So the people behind the web sites should not be trusted more than our Governments. Furthermore given the lack of accountability about what they're posting up I'd say that they should be trusted less. Our Governments have to be aware that if they're caught lying over this then they'll probably go down, the web site creators have no such fears and can publish whatever they want.

In my opinions yes there is a problem, yes our Government's are not being open about it but no such web sites cannot be completely trusted and they're abusing the dead to abuse your opinions.

Well, yep, that website is pretty horrific.

But it was a bbc investigation and reporters have seen babies with defects which means an investigation must take place to identify why.

Quite possibly it is munitions used and chemicals getting in water.

These guys need answers - looks like the authorities are wary of being seen to be accusative.

I can't imagine being advised not to have children as they could be born seriously ill due to the environment in which I'm living.

Will this affect generations- look at Bopal in India -the disaster was years ago but the affects are still there.

Look back a bit further - and see what children ere born after Hiroshima. And see the similarities that went on for generations and generations. Very, very similar disfigurements happened there. the Japanese dealt with it differently - It varried a big stigma to have a disabled child and these poor people were isolated and prevented from contact with "normal" (their attitude, not mine) people.