How can Jenni Murray NOT think that LIly Allen is too grown up for a 6 yr old????

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Jeepers creepers!! David Cameron on Woman's Hour being given the 3rd degree about why he won't let his DD Nancy listen to Lily Allen. Is JM barking? Has she listened to any of the lyrics?

And did she not see her dressed as Linda La Hughes at the Brit Awards!!?

Chil - great minds or are you plagiarising me off the Brits thread eh?

And duchesse you're right

my 7 and 5yo boys are currently going on and on about Lily Allen and Lady Gaga thanks to their 8yo female friend who LOVES them and spends her time watching them on YouTube

I find it shocking that anyone thinks this stuff is suitable for young children! I woupdn't "ban" it now that they have decided they like it - if it comes on the radio in a shop and they want to dance and sing along I don't react other than a "worraloada rubbish" comment or two - but I woupdn't let them google it and I wouldn#t buy it for them.

I really don't want my DD's singing "Oh, I lie here in the wet patch in the middle of the bed, I'm feeling pretty hard done by,I spent ages giving head" and yes I did have to google the correct lyrics

and as for Lady Gaga, the woman is a pain in the ass !!!! I've vented my spleen on here in the past because my kids love music (we all do) and often like to watch the music channels. However if I wanted soft porn I'd subscribe to an adult channel NOT MTV !!!! The amount of scantily clad people, gyrating, simulating sex is unbelievable at 11 o'clock in the morning and Lady Gaga is one of the main culprits !!!

I know mammy- whilst la Allen may speak to the single girl about town, I do not feel that the sentiments are appropriate for children barely out of nursery.

I didn't get the impression that Jenny Murray was giving David Cameron the 3rd degree about him not letting his daughter listen to Lily Allen. Did I miss something - what exactly did she say that gave the OP this idea?

I won't let 7y dd have lily Allen songs on her ipod. Lyrics all wrong for a child and dd picks up on the words to sing along very quickly and accurately.

We vet most music before she has it played. age loves vampire weekend but 2 tracks have swearing so have not transferred those 2 across.

We don't watch music videos anyway.

I really thought she laboured it actually, Nina. I felt she was trying to show him up as out of touch and/or too elitist to allow his children to do what other children do. I say this as someone who would not in a million years vote for the man, but I found myself applauding him for standing up for his parenting principles.

lily allen is a talentless bubblehead. With fat legs. At least lady gaga has real talent. And great legs. I do feel if you are going to dress like slut then at least make sure you have decent figure, you know?

fat legs? bit mean there

errr donnie, either you are trying to provoke an argument or you have misinterpreted the point of the thread somewhat...

no reikizen, no misinterpretation here - I get the thread and FWIW I agree with David Cameron entirely.

It's just that I also think that if you are going to dress like a slut with hot pants slicing through your fanny - like in the Brit awards the other night? - you deserve any criticism you get. And if you have fat legs as well then more fool you! she's fair game mate.

Bonsoir have you changed your name?

0h for goodness sake, I have no interest in how fat her legs are! How can that possibly have any bearing on the morality or otherwise of young girls listening to overtly sexual lyrics? If anything, I should find it comforting that conventionally 'overweight' woman have the confidence to display their sexuality. The dubious morality of 'dressing like a slut' to make oneself acceptable to the music buying public does not relate to how much adipose tissue a woman is carrying. They are not 'fair game' because you don't personally find them attractive, what a horribly misogynistic point of view.

oh don't be so silly reiziken! I am not remotely interested in lily allen's legs either; lily allen, however, would like me to be or else she wouldn't be dressing like that, non? don't you see? the slutty lyrics about shagging loads of blokes and the slutty clothes go hand in hand. It's not too difficult to grasp.

And fwiw the misogyny thing doesn't work as I apply exactly the same logic to men. If they dress and act like slags then they are slags. Or whatever.

John Terry, for example, is a slag. And a wanker. Or do you dislike that as a gender related and therefore offensive term?

Lady Gaga...talented, donnie I feel your ears have deceived you.

I don't personally agree with the banning of music, sometimes my children hear lyrics or language that I wouldn't want them to repeat on cd's we play or songs on the radio. My dd loved Mumford and sons Lion Man after hearing it on the radio, when we bought the cd, we realised the album version said "fucked it up" not "mucked it up", I was a bit but still let her listen to it and actually it lead to a useful conversation about why people swear.

"talentless bubblehead with fat legs"...."dress like a slut"..."deserve everything you get"....yowsa, that was unnecessary. I hope your id was highjacked and you're not really that vicious. I'm not sure some of that would even make it through the DM boards. John Terry for example can help how he behaves...Ms Allen's legs are the ones she was born with.

Jeez - donnie - there's lots I dislike about Lily A, first and foremost, I never heard her give recognition to the reggae artists sampled in her first album and to the inspiration for some of her song lyrics that are imo stolen from others, also was heavily annoyed by her pretence in her first songs to be working class when she is A grade posh with Oscar winning Mum before you even mention actor Dad. For these reasons I wouldn't want my kids listening to her falsity and yes as well for some of the sex obsessed lyrics.

However, even if she did have big fat legs, it is just horrible to point to that as a reason to dislike her.

I've seen her close up in "real life" by the way, there's nothing fat about her fwiw, she's tiny but she happens to have the type of figure that holds the little weight she does have around the hips/thighs.

I didn't here the Woman's Hour thing (not sure I could listen to something called Woman's Hour - is it as bad as "femail"?). But there was a piece in the Independent on David Cameron www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/amy-jenkins-our-unrealistic-view-of-childhood-can-harm-ra ther-than-protect-1905147.html where he says he dd at 6 is obsessed with Lily Allen, and I thought how pathetic really. She is six, her musical taste should be guided by her parents surely? Also six seems very young to have an iPod. My dd is nine and got one for Christmas, as have a few of her friends. She listens to the Jonas Brothers, Abba, High School Musical and tracks from her fvourite movies.

Putting stuff on a child's iPod means that you have to have an adult buy it for you in the first place. If I thought something was inappropriate for her then I wouldn't let her have it on her iPod. Moaning about it seems somewhat impotent really.

i don't think there is much of a problem to be honest - its not so obvious a child would understand, and therefore they'd be untroubled by it.

we used to sing along to The Stones 'let it bleed' the lyrics to which are very explicit, but also, unless you know what they're about...meaningless.

lets face it Lily Allen is very far from being Seious Music. More transient pop.

india knight also tals about this. I totally agree with her about Gok Wan on desert island discs - he was very honest and his interview was very far from dumbed down - an insight into his life. You get much worse disc selections from serving politicians whose choices are probably picked by committee beforehand.

and womans hour bears no relation to 'femail' - the format is a little short for serious treatment of ishoos but they tend to engage very deeply for the time available - and it is not in the slightest bit misogynist or tabloid.

i am critical of it in other ways, but am still a regular listener...

Evenm my ds who is 12 was a bit shocked when someone sent him the link to Lily's ''Fuck you very much'' song!

Good! I had a feeling it wasn't, I just cringe about names like that (not sure why I'm here though on that basis!). I just thought it was a bit weird to say you don't like your small daughter listening to something you think appropriate, and not do something about it. Doesn't seem like a very Prime Ministerial (in waiting) characteristic!

well, the radio edit of that song must be pretty short!

though the majority of her work is, well...asinine pop. as presumably, people download on a song by song basis, there must be a whole world of drivel by Lily allen that is available to listen to - that is not swear word laden.

i have no idea how most people purchase msuic now thogh.....the last album i bought was the irst one from The Darkness, when it was in the charts.

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