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Should non-british ppl convert to british living???

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AnnaInManchester · 12/07/2005 14:23

e.g. wearing western clothes, speaking english in public

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WigWamBam · 12/07/2005 17:29

It might have been useful if you had given your reasons for starting the thread, and given us your own opinions as well. There's less chance of people thinking that you're stirring that way.

kama · 12/07/2005 17:30

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Enid · 12/07/2005 17:32

you do start some odd threads anna

PeachyClair · 12/07/2005 17:32

Triceratops- was intrigued and inclined to agree with your comment about community leaders so got a defintion from Oxford.com,

community

? noun (pl. communities) 1 a group of people living together in one place. 2 (the community) the people of an area or country considered collectively; society. 3 a group of people with a common religion, race, or profession: the scientific community. 4 the holding of certain attitudes and interests in common. 5 a group of interdependent plants or animals growing or living together or occupying a specified habitat.

? ORIGIN Old French comunete, from Latin communis ?common?.

So i guess the usage is right, but I see your point vividly!

AnnaInManchester · 12/07/2005 17:33

I started this post as a friend of mine who works in the commons or something really boring, something politics related anyway was dicussing about immigrants entering britain who cannot speak a word of english, and another friend said he thought all ppl wanting british citizenship should wear western clothing and be able to speak conversational english so they can get jobs and work. I personally don't mind anyway, as long as me and my family are ok, they outside world can be left to get on with their own lives as long as it doesnt affect them directly.

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AnnaInManchester · 12/07/2005 17:34

Lol, I know Enid.....this is what staying at home, day in day out does to me! Makes me rather strange, but I do like to get inside ppl's minds and see what they're thinking.

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AnnaInManchester · 12/07/2005 17:34

Hows that posh little friend of yours btw Enid? I forgot his name...

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AnnaInManchester · 12/07/2005 17:36

Sorry I couldn't state my reasons at the time as Leonardo was about to throw the dog in the rather deep paddling pool

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Enid · 12/07/2005 17:36

he is lovely

but I have had to have words with him as he has been selling fossils to dd1

she wanted to take some money to school this morning and when I asked her why she said 'Bruno has sold me a belemnite, I have it in my PE bag and he wants 20p for it"

assumedname · 12/07/2005 17:38

Good post, edam.

AnnaInManchester · 12/07/2005 17:39

looool, he is hilarious!!! You could start a comic strip in the daily newspaper about the little boy!

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tamum · 12/07/2005 17:39

Enid We should be able to get her about a million to sell back to him and play him at his own game in two weeks! (no chance of him coming along, I suppose? )

ChaCha · 12/07/2005 18:08

Anna, just a question. I might agree with what you're saying, maybe i don't? But i'd like to ask you this..do you think that the Brits who come over to Muslim countries for work/fun/relationships etc.. (namely one i lived in for many years) should be made to speak to the local dialect? Perhaps handed a veil at the airport? Trade their shorts, bikini's, beach wear for the kind of clothing that is appropriate for such a climate?
I'd say NONSENSE!!!!

Bull to the wearing western clothes! What's your definition of western clothing anyway? I'd really like to know that. As for speaking English in public - not sure, but it does infuriate me when i call a parent to discuss their child's progress only to be told 'no English' and they have been here for 20 odd years!!!! I encourage the learning process for all ages.

Also, think we are talking about culture on these threads a lot more than mainstream Islam.

Now, i've had my two pence worth will go and enjoy my Persian take-away!!!

Flossam · 12/07/2005 18:27

Fair enough about the cultural stuff. But there have been posts about blck mums in such and such. Black mums could be anyone - British, African, American, Jamaican. I don't see how that can be cultural. Perhaps I am missing something.

aloha · 12/07/2005 18:45

I do actually like the way that immigration has changed our country. I think the people who died in the bombings proved how diverse our country is now - and saw so many people of different backgrounds making such a contribution to national life, be they cleaners or surgeons.

ChaCha · 12/07/2005 18:47

No Flossam, perhaps i'm the one who is missing something. After a long day at work try to scan through over 100 posts to get the jist of the issue and possibly miss some important ones out...

In a nutshell, I won't tolerate racism of any kind. I am from a multicultural family and am very proud of my roots. Would never accept either sides of the family 'slagging off' the others colour/race/religion and they are aware of that. Everyone to their own. Peace

Tortington · 12/07/2005 19:02

what constitues british living. maybe if there was a definition i would be able to comment further. i think some glorify a british ideal that they can't put their finger on except to say well its errrr white errrr involves people like me errrr egg n chips errrr

when you try to pin poeple down like your collegues anna - they invariably flounder in their own excrement

ChaCha · 12/07/2005 19:09

Quoting AnnainManchester:

"I personally don't mind anyway, as long as me and my family are ok, they outside world can be left to get on with their own lives as long as it doesnt affect them directly."

Emmm......so why the post? Surely the odd Sari, turban, headscarf, whatever, Urdu, Arabic, Turkish, Greek language being spoken in public doesn't directly affect them?? Or maybe it does...

pabla · 12/07/2005 19:11

Cha Cha, from friends who have worked in the Middle East, I believe that most women coming from Western Europe/US etc to work there DO wear appropriate clothing in the local style when going out in public, or at least they do where my friends were.

Like others who have posted, while I think it is great we live in a multicultural country, I do think it is a bit strange that people emigrate here if they are very disapproving of western culture. (I speak as an emigrant myself.) I also think it is sad if women in particular are discouraged by their families from learning English and making friends outside their own communities, particularly in an area like mine where such communities are small in terms of the number of people.

Tortington · 12/07/2005 19:21

chacha i think anna was gathering views on something she heard from a couple of people she knew.

AnnaInManchester · 12/07/2005 19:23

correct custardo

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AnnaInManchester · 12/07/2005 19:26

and chacha, before having a go at me, perhaps you would like to read my thread PROPERLY and you will notice it was my friends who said this, NOT me!

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monkeytrousers · 12/07/2005 19:30

Triceratops - why do you hate it at all? That's a pretty strong emotion. I can understand if it irritated you because it slightly abstracts the dictionary definition of 'community'. Are you an English teacher, by the way?

Flossum - you don't see that there's a distinct women's culture then, or mums of whatever race or creed that congregate here on MN? That the sharing of a social and historical position can't inspire a kinship?

If a sense of nationhood can be constructed in war, a sense of community can also be constructed in mutual experience and, as can be the case with 'ethnic minorities', a shared experience of oppression.

What amazes me is that the ITV news will have a poll and 80 odd percent of those who take part will say immigration and/or asylum is high on their personal political agenda. I'd like to see a poll immediately after, using the same people, asking how many have actually met an immigrant worker or asylum seeker.

If people would only stop to think for a second they'd understand that no one leaves their lives, family, friends, job, cars, houses, to come to the UK and live ostracised in a Glasgow high rise or Newcastle slum. What would it take for you to leave your own children and partners behind? These people aren't out for a jolly, FGS.

It really bugged me during the election when Howard talked about genuine asylum seekers, specifically the 'innocent women and children'.

He said all this just a few weeks before the 10th anniversary of the Srebrenica massacre where thousands of men of fighting age (between the ages of 9 - 70 roughly) were slaughtered under the eyes of the peacekeepers. It really made me sick to my stomach.

Anna, as long as you and your family are alright? That's the attitude that allows such crimes to take place.

Tortington · 12/07/2005 19:36

i took it to mean that Anna wasn't of a strong opinion and thats why she wanted to gather some more on mumsnet.

perhaps i was wrong Anna?

and i dont think even if annas views were different she could have changed the atrocities that happened