INside britains child prisons

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www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/the-end-of-innocence-inside-britains-child-prisons-1874053.html very intersting reading

That is interesting, thanks.

Excellent article, thanks

very good article. thanks for linking.

The notion of some of the children crying on the day they left was totally unexpected for me - but thoroughly makes sense in the context of the article

Agree it's interesting. A few posters on the Doncaster boys thread could benefit from reading it, especially wrt the notion that children are 'born bad'.

An eye opener, Thanks.

good article, thanks for linking

Very interesting article.

Fantastic articel.
I did write this on my post natal thread

Wanted to ask what's everyone's opinion of that horrible case with those 2 boys in Doncaster. They were drinking, taking canabis, watching pornograpgy and any horror film they wanted, witnessed their mother being attacked by their alcoholic father -is it any wonder they turned out as they did? Isn't this a case of child abuse? What more would the parents have to do to be culpable?

It seems to me that some parents are absolving any responsiblity and purposely damaging their children emotionally, physically and mentally (the mother put canabis in their tea so she could have a quiet night ) so why aren't they being prosecuted?

These boys have had their lives ruined. They are not your average 11/12 year olds that do know right from wrong, they have never been shown what is right or wrong and if you grow up in anarchy why would you not create anarchy?

Also, what the heck do we do with them for the rest of their lives?

brilliant article, ta

Great article. Read it on other thread too.

It's interesting that it's the Indie that would publish an article like this, in the depth it has. there was something similar in the Guardian a while back, but nowhere near as detailed.

I wonder if it's linked to the fact they have less money to cover "celebrity" stuff. Maybe being impecunious brings a certain freedom, newspaper-wise ....

It would be lovely if there was the time and space in more mainstream media for the dissemination of information like this.

Thanks for posting it here.

fantastic article thank you for posting that.

very interesting.

just shows that intensive rehabilitation can work. I can't remember which one, but one of the Bulger killers is now a very talented and successful artist (living under a new identity of course.)

The only part I would question, particularly in the case of the Doncaster boys, would be maintaining any contact with their parents.

i was looking tbh for htis after it was reffed on radio 4 this am
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00jrpqz

also VERY intersting about he reward and sanctions thing

sheesh our kidsodnt know they are born ,a dn why should they?!

I suppose it's difficult isn't it Nancy - you would think that stopping contact with their parents would be the way to go. But I guess despite that absolute horror that was their home life she is still their mother, and for now at least they don't realise just how toxic she was for them and stopping contact is perhaps not in the best interests of rehabilitating them?

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• yes it's a tough call.

there's a brilliant documentary that will stay with me forever called Hold Me Tight Let Me go. it's about a residential school for troubled, angry, violent children.

there was one boy there whose mother made it pretty clear she didn't love him. he'd hug her and she'd pull away. He'd tell her he loved her and she'd say nothing back. Very often she just didn't turn up for visiting sessions and he would be totally destroyed - and become very violent and aggressive again. Putting back weeks of hard work.

I remember at the time that it struck me that surely it was far better to just remove her from the picture. She seemed to bring nothing but misery to her son's life.