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Brief summary, Mumsnet vs ‘career women make bad mothers’ ads (as at end Thurs 7th Jan)

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mrsbaldwin · 07/01/2010 23:59

On Monday 4th January the Outdoor Advertising Association (OAA), a trade body representing firms who sell outdoor ad space, launched a campaign to promote the power of outdoor advertising.

The OAA wanted to prove that outdoors advertising can attract consumers to specific online locations. They thought that if they could demonstrate the link between seeing a billboard and making a purchase online they might sell more outdoors ad space.

The OAA hired a London-based ad agency Campbell Lace Beta (Beta), fronted by a well-known adman Garry Lace, to help them run their campaign.

Beta suggested a campaign that would ?get people talking?. They devised a series of ?provocative? statements to be pasted in large print on billboard sites. In smaller print consumers were encouraged to log on to to a website ?BritainThinks?, set up by Beta for the purpose of counting numbers of people who see an ad and follow it up online. The OAA agreed this campaign strategy.

Just prior to the ads going up Beta briefed the press (the adland trade press and media correspondents of the national press) about its campaign intentions.

In the event one of the ?provocative? statements ? ?career women make bad mothers? - proved particularly provocative to many Mumsnetters, who expressed their annoyance and campaigned to have the posters removed.

As well as discussing the ads on Mumsnet they:
*emailed and called the OAA to express their disappointment
*emailed complaints to the Advertising Standards Authority
*emailed Directors of Communications (responsible for signing off outdoor ad spend) and chief executives at UK firms who spend a lot of money advertising outdoors
*emailed other clients of Beta

On Wednesday 6th January (16.15) the OAA issued an ?unreserved apology? on Mumsnet, saying they would remove the ?career woman ?? ads as soon as possible from their sites. Click here to see the full text:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/888789-OAA-Apologise-for-quot-Career-Women-Make-Bad-Mothers-quot

Some Mumsnetters subsequently contacted the OAA to commend their decision.

Beta spoke to Media Guardian at around the same time, citing a ?misunderstanding with an important mother?s forum?:
www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jan/06/outdoor-advertising-career-women-billboards

Later on Wednesday Mumsnet received communications from Beta?s Garry Lace and his lawyers. Lace?s communication said:
"I will now engage in a process to ensure ? that we are compensated for the hurt, corporate loss and reputational damage that we have suffered as a result of your inability to moderate your medium properly."

Mumsnet has reminded contributors to follow the rules of the forum when making posts on this topic.

Beta?s lawyers have also asked for personal contact details for a number of contributors to the site ? LadyBlaBlah, Harriedandflustered, MrsBaldwin, Overmydeadbody, Southeastastra. HerBeatitude, FunnyLittleFrog, Dittany, FlightAttendant, MrsChemist, Paulaplumpbottom, SydneyScarborough, Imisssleeping, Whomovedmychocolate, Thumper76. Data protection laws have prevented Mumsnet from supplying these.

The debate has sparked a good deal of interest online both in the UK (although mostly not, it appears, on the BritainThinks website) and overseas.

OP posts:
GhoulsAreLoud · 08/01/2010 13:49

Um, glad that the OA and Beta can see some of our points of view but can anyone explain to me why they guys genitalia was dragged into it? Seriously childish.

jackstarbright · 08/01/2010 13:50

Wilf - thanks. I couldn't get the F-Word link to load from my preview message, for some reason.

I'm sure I've missed many more!

LibrasBiscuitsOfFortune · 08/01/2010 13:53

community.brandrepublic.com/blogs/campbelllacebetablog/archive/2010/01/08/62389.aspx#62740

Ghouls I don't think Beta see ANY of our points of view it's just somebody even higher up than R&G have grasped them by the scruff of the neck and made them do an apology which, tbh I am with Edam here, doesn't ring true or honest.

GhoulsAreLoud · 08/01/2010 13:55

But I still don't see what that has to do with his genitalia?

Can you see how that makes us look to anyone else who doesn't know the site. If they come on here to read the threads about this thing and that's what it's degenerated to?

IPlayBanjoOnMyFanjo · 08/01/2010 14:01

I think the genitalia references were all in haiku form and just for MNers amusement to help deal with the shock of what we had been subjected to.

Kinda like doing silly faces down the pub with your colleagues after you've had a shit meeting or been made redundant, to cheer you all up.

MadameCastafiore · 09/01/2010 11:00

So basically their ad campaign was a feckin stupid idea and has ended up biting them on the arse for doing what it was meant to do and encouraging debate - and he wants money or something for that?

Nevergoogle · 09/01/2010 11:11

I missed all of this, I think because I was actually at work!

Well done to everyone involved.

That Gerry guy for example...

Meglet · 09/01/2010 11:16

I've missed this whole thing.

But if someone could let me know what other companies and products Garry Lace works for / promotes then I will glady avoid their products .

Meglet · 09/01/2010 11:17

meant to say boycott their products. Couldn't think of the word just then.

BigBadMummy · 09/01/2010 11:30

Mention in The Times too

BigBadMummy · 09/01/2010 11:32

I can hear a certain agency boss saying "If you don't stop I am going to get my dad to beat up your dad and mine is bigger than yours".

The whole "ooh I am hurt and I am going to sue you" thing these days is a bloody farce.

MattSmithIsNotMyLoveSlave · 09/01/2010 11:49

Ghouls, IIRC the point originally being made was that if (as was being argued by Beta at the time) saying "So and so is a bad mother" is fine and dandy and just intended to provoke lively debate so it would be crazy to object then saying "So and so has a small penis" must also be fine and dandy and just intended to provoke lively debate so it would be crazy to object.

And then there was the solicitors' suggestion that saying an advertising executive had a small penis damaged his professional (as opposed to social) reputation, which was odd.

bronze · 09/01/2010 12:08

?The point was that it was meant to be a question rather than a statement."

so why not use a ?

hbfac · 09/01/2010 12:29

Just rejoining late to add to the: "MrsB, you're a star ... and mn ... and the rest of you ... you are, you are." Bit late - but heartfelt.

Thanks for the link to the libel campaign thread. I'm fuming about the lingering iniquities of this, and have been frowny about the libel laws for years. So, thank you for making it easy to move from my inert disapproval.

And tyvm for the other site links, too.

Catitainahatita · 09/01/2010 20:36

Mattsmith, my DH suggests that Mr. Lace must somehow use his genetalia in his profession: only a few jobs come to mind which meet this criteria. I wonder if the one he engages in is a lucrative sideline for him to aid his agency work )(which given the quality of this campaign, suggests there can´t be much of).

And have you noticed that a new slogan has appeared on the website?

"Good fathers make bad employees" . I suppose this is to try and "prove" that they are not sexist idiots. The telling thing here is the lack of symetery; a male version should be "Career men make bad fathers". This version emphasises the goodness of the father, which culd even imply somekind of justification for their being bad employees. Their original slogan, on the other hand, makes no judgement of the nature of the women as employess.

Hold on, I'll find the link.

Catitainahatita · 09/01/2010 20:38

APOLOGY

Sorry, the slogan was on a blog, not their website. I am unaware if it is/has been in use or not. Ignore my last comments please.

GhoulsAreLoud · 09/01/2010 21:07

MattSmith that makes slightly more sense than just random genitalia references.

BUT - if our stance was that what he said was unacceptable and hurtful then why would it be ok for us to say something that is also unacceptable and hurtful?

jackstarbright · 09/01/2010 21:33

Ghouls. Having followed this from the start, I don't think it was a few mild jokes and poems about his genitalia, on a website he'd probably never heard off, that truly annoyed him. It was those pesky women e-mailing his customers that hurt him. But, he couldn't do anything about that. He thought he was being clever using MN rules to get all the posts removed - but that just turned it all into a newsworthy story (in the marketing press anyway). Now he wants to work with us.......!

GhoulsAreLoud · 09/01/2010 21:45

Oh I know all that. I just wondered why anyone thought it would be a good idea to talk about his genitalia.

jackstarbright · 09/01/2010 22:04

Just letting off steam! It was pretty mild by normal MN standards and mostly in Haiku!

GhoulsAreLoud · 09/01/2010 22:08

I know, I saw it.

Lots of the Haikus were funny but I don't really get the sentiment of complaining about something that's below the belt by saying something that is also below the belt. Little bit tit for tat, is all. But I am open minded, and was hoping that any of the people who did it might be able to explain it to me, as I could be wrong.

Strix · 11/01/2010 08:55

I would just like to say I sw one of these posters yesterday (Sunday 11th January) In Kingston-Upon-Thames. I can't remember the exact location but it was on the side of a building and not on a bus. I wonder how long it will take to actually have them removed?

blart80 · 01/12/2017 20:56

It seems that Garry Lace has indeed started a new career, by buying a private school in Devon. Here is the latest story and tragedy unfolding:
Garry Lace weaves magic in education -
www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/campaign-diary-garry-lace-weaves-magic-education-brian-blessed-shocking-saatchis-outburst/1450906
I fear for the children and teachers...

hamptonhangingpork · 05/12/2017 13:27

Blast - Did he sue the mumsnetters in the end, or was it a whole load of hot air / cease and desists?

And your post was wrong. It's supposed to be in a haiku...

hamptonhangingpork · 05/12/2017 13:28

Blart - I meant to say Blart [Grin]