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Smaking makes you successful?

29 replies

twinsplus3 · 05/01/2010 16:52

Any one seen this?www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6926823/Smacked-children-more-successful-later-in-life-study-f inds.html
Agree?

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twinsplus3 · 05/01/2010 16:54

Mind the spelling Im dyslexic.
I dont particularly agree but wondered what others think.

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wahwah · 05/01/2010 17:00

I suspect it has little to do with smacking, but more the degree of parental involvement in promoting certain values and expectations.

nighbynight · 05/01/2010 17:14

It isn't a hypothesis that you are invited to agree with or not, though twinsplus3, it's the conclusion of a piece of research.

Saw this the other day, and wondered whether to post it on MN or not

TheCrackFox · 05/01/2010 17:15

Depends how you define successful.

nighbynight · 05/01/2010 17:18

Captains of Industry, obv....

southeastastra · 05/01/2010 17:19

from the well known Marjorie Gunnoe, professor of psychology at Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Michigan

nighbynight · 05/01/2010 17:20

why is she well known, sea?

southeastastra · 05/01/2010 17:21

i was being sarcastic

Morloth · 05/01/2010 17:26

I suspect having strong, caring parents who understand the importance of discipline and guidance (and pack/herd placement/behaviour) is probably what helps in being successful.

Smacking is an option we have left open to us as parents and it is one that I have used twice in the last 5 years and not at all in the last year. This probably has more to do with boy's easy going and obedient nature than any particular parenting skill on my part.

pointydig · 05/01/2010 17:35

It;s the conclusion of a rubbish bit of research, though.

179 teenagers - wow.

sarah293 · 05/01/2010 17:36

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nighbynight · 05/01/2010 18:38

iirc riven there were certain other factors, like that children who were smacked after age 12 were less successful.

I was a grade A student at school and I am not a CEO either...

MintyCan · 05/01/2010 18:41

What a load of ... Perhaps she felt especially guilty about smacking her own and was trying to prove that she was right.

Ronaldinhio · 05/01/2010 18:43

I was so hoping that this was going to be about smoking making you successful

ImSoNotTelling · 05/01/2010 18:49

Ha me too ronaldinhio

pointydig · 05/01/2010 18:53

I was hoping it was snaking that made you successful. I could take up snaking.

twinsplus3 · 05/01/2010 19:51

lol @ snaking and smoking comments. I realised spelling mistake after posting but didnt know how to change it.

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ImSoNotTelling · 05/01/2010 20:15

I think the mystery title added a certain spice to the thread

cathcat · 05/01/2010 20:20

matthew wright on the Wright Stuff had this as one of his topics for discussion today. As he was introducing it he obviously made a joke (I think, I was half listening at this point) about smacking and then said "that was a joke btw for all you people at Mumsnet!"

MitchyInge · 05/01/2010 20:25

I also wanted this to be about smoking

OptimistS · 08/01/2010 13:55

Anyone else a bit about the idea that teenagers (or anyone for that matter) can be relied upon to accurately remember whether or not they were smacked (let alone recall frequency and severity) before the age of 6? I can remember that my parents told me I was smacked when a young child, but I can't actually remember even one incidence of it.

OptimistS · 08/01/2010 13:56

My point being that a piece of research based on memory and perception rather than fact is surely flawed and the results open to question.

SkipToMyLou · 08/01/2010 13:59

Like Riven, I should be queen of the world or something then. Utter bollocks.

cory · 08/01/2010 15:57

Dh was (occasionally) smacked as a toddler, my parents never raised a hand against any of their children. He failed his A-levels, I got a PhD. Possibly less to do with methods of chastisement and more to do with the fact that mine were better educated and expected me to put some work into my studies.

It's that old thing about causation and correlation isn't it?

In Sweden, where I grew up, smacking was already suspect in many social circles by the 1960s (none of my friends were smacked), and was banned in the 80s. So the only type of child who would get smacked would be one whose parents had little regard for the general norms of their society- hardly the kind of family where you would expect a very successful outcome later in life.

In another type of society, smacking might be something that is done by serious well intentioned parents who do a lot of other serious well intentioned things as well, and whose children therefore grow up serious and well intentioned, possibly despite the smacking. That does not prove that they would not have done so without smacking or that they might not have done even better without the smacking. In fact, it proves nothing.

AMumInScotland · 08/01/2010 16:13

Certainly the way it's been reported gives no way to know whether it was a good or bad piece of research.

What teenagers remember about what happened to them before the age of 6 may be patchy - some might accurately remember how often they were smacked, while others might have been smacked often before about 3 and not remember it, or have been smacked once at age 5 and remember it vividly, assuming it had happened often because of the strength of that one memory.

There are no other listed measures of what the family was like - as Cory says, a family which smacked (in the US 10 years ago) might have been differed (on average) from a non-smacking family in many ways. You might figure they were more authoritarian in other ways, you might figure they were less caring, or more violent, or all kinds of things - we have no way of deciding that from the reported result.

And then there's things like "those smacked from 6 to 11 were more likely to get into fights" - well, you could equally say that children of 6 to 11 who regularly got into fights tended to be punished differently from those who never got into a fight.

Useless as reported. Possibly useless in the actual research too, but no way to tell...