Israel stole organs from palestians

[littleducks]

Surprisingly, not many good links (i havent used either of these sites before) on this yet, despite being shown on Israeli TV but hopefully these are clear:

www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2009/12/21/israel_admits_stealing_bodies_organs_in_90s /

www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1260258201494&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELa yout

Horrible! They have No respect at all

There's an article in the guardian;

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs

Which explains it slightly better, they didn't just harvest the organs from dead palestinians but from everyone, not that it makes it right, just puts a slightly different slant on it and wasn't this what our donor system wanted to do, not have to ask permission from loved ones?

Hmm, i'm not sure that that the UK proposed to harvest donor organs from a foreign citizens, especially those from a country they were at war with in the full knowledge of the reprocussions it has to desecrate a corpse so that it can not be buried with the full burial rites, especially then to donate organs to israeli soldiers so that they are better prepared to kill more palestinians.

I don't know what the full truth is but it is frightening that there have been rumours in Palestine for years that this was going on, but was regarded as propoganda and a myth then it appears in part at least to have been true

" especially then to donate organs to israeli soldiers so that they are better prepared to kill more palestinians."

Guess they wouldn't need the organs if the Palastinians weren't shooting them and blowing them up in the first place.

I don't think 'in the first palce'is quite accurate:certainly no side comes out entirely blame free but you make it sound as if the Israelis are victims.

The truth is its incredibly complex, and there is wrongdoing and poor treatment on both sides.

" I don't think 'in the first palce'is quite accurateI don't think 'in the first palce'is quite accurate .."

It's very accurate if they were not injured they would not need organs, healthy people do not need organs.

I never said the palastinians were to blame, nor do I claim the Israeli's are innocent.

" but you make it sound as if the Israelis are victims. "

Both sides are victims in this war and for anyone to claim otherwise is an idiot.

The article also states that the practice stopped 10 years ago.

I would add that in Belgium, unless you are a member of another countries armed forces, your organs are taken to use without any donor register at all. What is the difference?

"Guess they wouldn't need the organs if the Palastinians weren't shooting them and blowing them up in the first place."

they most common stolen organ was corneas, i dont think that correlates to being used for soldiers injured at war

while obviously healthy people don't need organs but the are is a huge demand for organs here, from sick people not from the war wounded

The difference is wrt to Belgium is that if you live in Belgium you can choose to leave, vote against the policy, write to the eqivilant of mp, campaign for religious exemption if you wish and any policy is out in the open not a secret that has been denied for years.

I truely hope that the practice stopped ten years ago, but aty the time i didnt believe it was happening at all, thought it was a vicous rumour, so I am worried that it does continue, there are still missing bodies so it is a possibility.

oh and the israeli organ shortage is because not many israelis are willing to donate, 1 in 4 carry a donor card:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8416443.stm

Nothing the Israelis do would surprise me - they regard Palestinians as sub-human and they think they themselves are above the law and any concept of human decency.

'" but you make it sound as if the Israelis are victims. "

Both sides are victims in this war and for anyone to claim otherwise is an idiot.
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I agree.

Both sides. It is a warwith no winners. Very sad.

agree that neither side is totally innocent in this war.

As it also says in the article from the Guardian

"bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers"

so not only the Palestinians.

I'm intrigued though by your comment

"full knowledge of the reprocussions it has to desecrate a corpse so that it can not be buried with the full burial rites"

So are you saying that Muslims shouldn't donate their organs after death?

It is awfully upsetting when we hear stories like this which keeping being revealed. In the 1930s Italian colonialist shipped hundreds of orphaned and mentally sick libyan children to Italy for scientific and laboratory purposes and nobody ever saw them again. It is always the despicable case that the conquering power will take advantage of its power and dominant position but in this particular case it is more worrying because firstly the never edming strife between the two will only be further fuelled and secondly you would think that a peole once subjected to the utmost horror at the hands of the Nazis would be less prone to do the same injustice to women, children and old people such as they did during the latest conflicts in Gaza and Lebanon and I purposefully have not mentioned young men because they will come up with scores of excuses for wanting to "put a stop to the militant attacks which are carried out by " young men" whom they see as "a threat" but what of those poor poor children and families and I am quoting non alligned sources not Palestinian sources on this.

saraya - the Israelis are hardly perpetrating the same 'utmost horror' and 'injustice' as the Nazis.

While of course there are some terrible things going on, the Israelis are not rounding up the Palestinians and transporting them to concentration camps, there to herd them into gas chambers.

Also, to reiterate Awassailing's point, in this instance the Israelis did not discriminate in their organ harvesting - they treated their own citizens in the same way as the Palestinians;

"bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers"

so not only the Palestinians.

i never said they were replicating the same horrors but any horror is bad especially when you were on the receiving end of the worst of the worst.And not just Palestinians does not make it any less horific.

if we really mean "never again" then we should all see to it that "never again" to ANYBODY not just the same peoples. Ethnic cleansing is still happening and the tragedy of Bosnia proves we have forgotten or maybe we have a selective memory?

"Guess they wouldn't need the organs if the Palastinians weren't shooting them and blowing them up in the first place."

If the Palastinians were allowed to live freely on their land without a new nation coming in from nowhere, they probably wouldn't have felt the need to take up arms to defend themselves. Lets not forget that they are an 'Occupied Territory'.

" If the Palastinians were allowed to live freely on their land without a new nation coming in from nowhere, they probably wouldn't have felt the need to take up arms to defend themselves. Lets not forget that they are an 'Occupied Territory'."

Jerusalem Hebrew: יְרוּשָׁלַיִם‎

Bethleém; Hebrew: בֵּית לֶחֶם‎,

Shall I go on ?

I see hebrew writing does not translate well onto MN

So what does that mean?

The land did not belong to the Palastinian people originally, you are arguing a moot point.