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Bath Time Photos = Obscene?!

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juneybean · 24/09/2009 14:19

abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/national_world&id=7025719

...umm what?

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TheCrackFox · 24/09/2009 20:11

Seems a complete over reaction.

Do the Social Services think removing these girls from their family for a month was completely harmless? That will probably give them life long emotional problems.

However, you can't blame Labour for this as it happened in the US.

Umlellala · 24/09/2009 20:22

I don't like that my parents took pics of me naked when I was a kid. Makes me feel uncomfortable. Maybe I have ishoos, but I feel it's a bit of a violation of my privacy so won't do it with my dc.

Nothing to do with paedos though.

BouncingTurtle · 25/09/2009 08:07

I thought it was the law you had take pictures of your babies naked so that you can totally embarrass your kids when they bring their first girl/boyfriend home

My mum has quite a few pictures of me and my brothers in the buff when we were small, and my dad's family have lots of pics of me and the rest of their grandkids running wearing nothing but jelly sandals and a smile!

Totally agree that the walmart employee must be perverted to think those photos were sexual

Besom · 25/09/2009 08:20

I've just sent off for some photos and a couple were bath time ones of dd.

I'm shocked and worried by that story.

morningpaper · 25/09/2009 08:28

This is a really OLD case in America, and the charges were dropped (obviously).

The reason it is in the news is that the couple in question are suing Walmart, the People of America and Barack Obama because of it.

So chill

cory · 25/09/2009 08:35

It's not a world suddenly gone mad, as others have pointed out this is an old case, and it mirrors a case that happened in this country under the Tories. Not that I would suggest for a moment that the Tories were to blame- again it was an isolated case.

Doesn't mean we can no longer take pictures of naked kiddies. I took pictures of mine in the wake of the British case, nothing happened. Because bonkers photo employees are going to be few and far between; most probably couldn't care less.

Sneezecake · 25/09/2009 08:39

this is just stupid, there is not a paedophile lurking around every corner, I have naked phostos of my ds playing in a paddling pool hanging on my wall. I'm not about to invite a perv in to come and look at it.
and you can't even take photos of your childrens sprts day fhs some of us have relatives on the other side of the world if i couldn't send photos of his activities they would never see him

SomeGuy · 25/09/2009 14:18

I'm not sure the case is that old morningpaper.
This sort of thing happens regularly. For example one woman had her children taken into care for taking a photo of her 1 year-old son breast feeding.

"actual lewd exhibition of a portion of the female breast below the top of the areola, and the said defendant did and then employ, authorize and induce Rodrigo Fernandez, a child younger than 18 years of age, to engage in said sexual conduct and sexual performance."

www.wsws.org/articles/2000/mar2000/stew-m20.shtml
www.dallasobserver.com/2003-04-17/news/1-hour-arrest/
jonathanturley.org/2009/05/05/dull-tools-prosecutors-says-they-were-right-to-charge-grandmother-with -pornography-for-taking-pictures-of-kids-in-tub/
www.thenation.com/doc/19991213/pollitt

morningpaper · 25/09/2009 14:24

Someguy you are doing that Man Thing of putting in loads of links from random dubious websites to support your claim

(and some of those sound a bit WEIRD to ME tbh - why WOULD you pose your long-weaned four-year old breastfeeding you naked in order to photograph it for your boyfriend, who is not the children's father? It's a bit odd.)

Be more thorough

LeonieSoSleepy · 25/09/2009 14:26

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Terpsichore · 25/09/2009 14:52

This makes me despair. There's a comment-piece in today's Guardian which rather chimes in with this - all about the way any sort of natural relationship between adults and children is falling apart and becoming totally bureaucratised....www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/sep/24/children-bullying-dinner-lady

SomeGuy · 25/09/2009 21:59

Someguy you are doing that Man Thing of putting in loads of links from random dubious websites to support your claim

Shouting 'man thing' doesn't amount to an argument. Very tedious.

All of the stories were reported in US newspapers, hardly 'dubious', although not all of those newspapers maintain a free archive.

(and some of those sound a bit WEIRD to ME tbh - why WOULD you pose your long-weaned four-year old breastfeeding you naked in order to photograph it for your boyfriend, who is not the children's father? It's a bit odd.)

You really need to read just a little more carefully.

As I said:

"taking a photo of her 1 year-old son breast feeding"

1 is not 4.

And just in case you don't believe my summary, the charge makes it explicit:

The indictment [read] "actual lewd exhibition of...a portion of the female breast below the top of the areola, and the said defendant did and then employ, authorize and induce Rodrigo Fernandez, a child younger than 18 years of age, to engage in said sexual conduct and sexual performance."

Elsewhere it is clearly explained that her children were:

"1-year-old Rodrigo, and 4-year-old Pablizio"

Lucky that this painting is on display in Germany rather than Texas isn't it?

Be more thorough

Yes you should be.

BexieID · 25/09/2009 22:26

I used to work in a photolab and kids in baths were ok to print. On one occasion we did have to call the police as there were photos of a little girl that were quite sexual, and looked posed.

LadyMidnightMT · 26/09/2009 11:54

I would want to speak to that lab tech. What kind of a fucked up mind thinks photos like that are obscene. If they got hot under the collar looking at them, that's their problem - and its that, that should be dealt with

LadyMidnightMT · 26/09/2009 11:57

They aren't dubious links MP!

SomeGuy, I'm beginning to like your style

Though I like MP's writing style more than LHdy's still.

TheShriekingHarpy · 26/09/2009 20:08

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WebDude · 28/09/2009 23:59

Actually, sonicxtra I'm really with you on that line "please tell them that 1984 was a fictional novel not a blueprint for society" because of the numerous databases and laws that have been introduced.

Even if the comment doesn't tie in with that news report, it certainly does with the rest of the mess that is 'digital Britain' (in the database-based, 'monitor your every thought' society we're getting to be, if things don't get better).

mrsjammi · 29/09/2009 00:07

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atlantis · 29/09/2009 01:06

"please tell them that 1984 was a fictional novel and not a blueprint for society" PMSL

I like that.

I dread to think what this country would be like if we had to suffer Labour for another five years ?

Right now we are all peadophiles, we are all criminals, we are all terrorists, our electronics are 'monitored', our number plates are 'logged', our images 'stored', our children 'watched', even our rubbish is 'sorted', they know who we are, who we associate with, what we buy, where we go, who we chat too, they even have precognative crime in the form of Blair's ' we should target babies in the womb so they don't grow up to be criminals and take them away' or the family courts saying 'at some point in the future the parent may harm the child'.

It's a cross between 1984 and the prisoner.

MamaGoblin · 29/09/2009 09:07

Atlantis, a lot of the things you're attributing to the Labour government either just aren't true, or have existed a long, long time in this country. For instance, local police used to log car number plates of cars parked outside local Labour party meetings in the 70's and 80's (it happened to my parents!). I'm personally glad our rubbish is 'sorted', if you mean it's recycled and that more and more of it is being reused and recycled. What else did you mean?

If you're into conspiracy theories (TBH, it does sound like you are) then yes, credit card companies have the information to log our every financial habit and buying history - but what on earth does that have to do with government of any party?

Have you actually read 1984? I think there's plenty of clear water between a totalitarian, brutal, murdering regime and any western democracy, including ours. And you might like to think on the moves forward in social justice that this government has made, before you start in on 'precognitive crime' and the like. For instance, the advances made in human rights - think of the equalities for gay and lesbian people in this country under Labour - it's light years away from life under the Tories.

I'm concerned about some recent bonkers legislation too, but I have a nasty feeling that these sorts of laws are creeping in everywhere, and I don't necessarily think it's to do with a particular political party.

atlantis · 29/09/2009 11:19

MamaGoblin,

In the 70's and 80's we were still fighting the cold war against the communists and who were the Labour party then? It's small wonder that number plates were logged really, but why does Labour feel the need to log every number plate, of every person driving around there town and beyond? Firstly they say it's because of terrorists.. then they say it's to increase the revenue by catching people without tax or insurance, then they say it's to catch car's stolen, they really should get their stories straight.

I'm not talking about recycling, (that's a different thread) I'm talking about when they stealth off with your rubbish in the middle of the night to 'check' it's contents, or add monitors to your wheelie bin to make sure your being a good citizen.

It's not just credit card companies who monitor what you buy and sell on that information to interested parties. The government has and uses the technology available to 'monitor' your internet and credit transactions, just as they monitor your calls and emails incase something is 'flagged ' up.

Yes, I have read 1984, and if you don't believe that government do not act in such ways then I would like to view your rose colloured glasses.

Labours 'advances' in human rights has given rise to what the popular press call the 'criminals charter', not to keen on the name but I suppose it's an accurate representation of the way things have panned out under Labour, parents defending their children from yobs arrested, criminals suing the police and home owners for 'injuries'. A farmer sentences to five years for defending his property. Travellers allowed to set up camp wherever they feel like to make life hell for the local residents. Bullies in schools allowed to carry on until a child feels they have no alternative to kill themselves. The state knowing better than parents what their children should be eating, thinking, doing.
And god help anyone who rocks the boat, stands up for themselves and their children and doesn't toe the party line.

Gay and lesbian rights would have followed no matter who was in power, the Conservatives do have gay and lesbian members (MP's and Councillors ) you know, they didn't all join the labour party.

To look back on decades past in an arguement on political standing is a lost cause, times were different, people were different, the country was different, the generation of Blair and Cameron are a different breed to the generation of Thatcher and Callaghan, so who is to say what life will be like under the Conservatives after the next election.
But Labour are now collectively as 'bonkers' as Thatcher was at the end, so it's time for them to go.

MamaGoblin · 29/09/2009 14:12

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Atlantis - O kaaaay...

atlantis · 29/09/2009 15:25

Sorry Mama,

I'm not really insane just in a very bad mood lately.

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WebDude · 02/10/2009 20:03

"concerned about some recent bonkers legislation too"

Indeed, MamaG. I think there were stats on how many hundreds of extra bits of legislation have been created. Some of it seems to be knee-jerk and giving too many powers with little protection for the public.

Shame that flip-flopping from Labour to Conservative and back is all too easy with first past the post, and the first few years will be dismantling aspects they dislike.

Also, the 'banter' in Parliament would be 'comedy' if it wasn't so important that they get on with making good policy, rather than picking holes in the history of the other party when it was in power, and waffling about problems rather than what they propose to do.

FWIW, I read that camera phones have to be registered with the Garda in Eire, and Japan has a ban on them in quite a number of situations such as gyms, because the men have a desire for 'upskirt' photos, esp on the escalators to underground trains and in shopping centres, and of course on crowded trains too.

Bit more 'knee-jerk' after the awful child abuse case was a hint at banning mobile phones being carried into playgroups, etc, by anyone... who dreams up these daft ideas?

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