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Guess where in the world it's okay to carry a gun IN FULL VIEW when the President's visiting?

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MrsMerryHenry · 09/09/2009 12:13

Blimey

It's an oldish story but I've just read it.

Speechless.

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WebDude · 12/09/2009 01:35

Thing is, apart from a shotgun, which I believe can be used without a licence, at least by a farmer, to kill vermin, anything other than an air rifle would likely need a licence, so borrowing/lending one might leave him/owner the gun on the wrong side of the law.

In the wrong hands, anything from a baseball bat or catapult can be misused, so not confined to air rifles. My sister (before retiring) was head of a primary school. One summer, when there was some playgroup using the ground (school buildings locked) some yob started firing his air rifle at the school.

Smashed several windows, and where he was firing from, pellets had to be fired above the children and adults with them.

Took 4 hours for the police to turn up (my sister drove there as soon as caretaker rang her to explain situation), so no chance of them taking action or catching someone "in the act".

In the meantime, my sister had printed up notices about the disgraceful activity of someone on the estate and hand delivered (she knew exactly which house, but not the individual lad)... probably some parents sorted it out, one way or another, when they knew what had been going on!

Took at least 2 days to carefully clear up inside the school, with glass splinters in books, shelves, etc, etc. All caused by some stupid idiot.

But while some might argue against air rifles, others could argue against cars being capable of high speeds, given the numbers of deaths on the roads every year.

Banning them doesn't rid society of them - too many in circulation already.

GentleOtter · 12/09/2009 05:00

WebDude - Farmers must have a shotgun licence plus a secure gun cabinet. The police check them regularly.

Jacksmama · 12/09/2009 05:24

MrsMerryHenry - PMSL at "Canadians own as many guns bur there are fewer gun-related deaths - maybe they're cleverer and use arsenic" .

I wouldn't believe everything Mike Whats-His-Name says - he got several facts about our health care system dead wrong. (Don't get me started.) Therefore I would seriously question whether Canadians own proportionally as many guns as Americans.

And, just to clarify, it's not arsenic, we use strychnine.

WebDude · 12/09/2009 11:22

Thanks GO for clarification. In the past, shotgun rules seemed to be more "relaxed".

RubysReturn · 12/09/2009 11:24

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MrsMerryHenry · 12/09/2009 20:40

Wow, Jacksmama - murderous Canadians are cleverer than I'd given credit for - using a poison that I can't even pronounce! There's no way your countryfolk would be convicted if I were the judge, I'd be too embarassed to pronounc the word in public so I'd just let them all off!

Ruby - I like that saying. It's deeper than it looks on the surface.

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WebDude · 12/09/2009 21:01

MMH it is pronounced as 'strikneen'

HTH

MrsMerryHenry · 12/09/2009 23:10

WebDude, it was a joke!

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Snorbs · 12/09/2009 23:45

I dunno if it's fair to label all US gun-owners as lobotomised or even this particular chap.

There is a relatively small and deeply committed libertarian movement in the US who believe very strongly in the principles behind the US Constitution. That Constitution's core principle is "We the people give our government the right to control certain, defined aspects of our lives because those things are important for the running of the country. Everything else is our business." (This is in stark contrast to the UK's constitution which is much more "These are the things that we the government/crown, will allow you the people, to do.")

Public displays of legal weapons in such situations are often intended as a reminder to the US government that at least some of the population still believe very strongly in the Constitution. I'm not sure I agree with all their methods, and such displays carry with them the real issue that bystanders may not realise it's just a political statement, but I can sort-of see their point.

Morloth · 13/09/2009 16:22

Americans feel very strongly about their guns, it would be foolish in the extreme for this government to try to do anything about that at the moment. Not a fight they can win.

My family own guns, they are used for pest control and properly stored and secured at all times when not in use. I was raised with a great deal of respect for them and was taught how to handle a rifle and that you must always assume that the gun is loaded - I expect children raised in this way have much less chance of injuring themselves with a firearm than one who is not who comes across it.

I am in two minds about citizens being able to carry weapons in their day to day activities. On one hand it "ups the ante" in dangerous situations. On the other, if you say it is illegal to carry a gun, then the only people with them will be criminals.

Is a tricky one.

The UK has a different culture to the US, so it can be hard to see why it is so important to many Americans. Australia sits somewhere between the two (as in so many things). I can see both sides of the argument when it comes to guns.

MrsMerryHenry · 14/09/2009 18:08

Snorbs, I was labelling people who think it's a human right to own a gun. That is completely and utterly bonkers.

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Snorbs · 14/09/2009 23:05

In the US at least it's a right that is enshrined in the Second Amendment to the Constitution. Whether that makes it a "human" right or not I cannot say. The reason for that amendment being made was reasonably robust and done for (at the time) excellent reasons.

The US Constitution holds a place in many American's hearts in a manner that is almost entirely alien to English people. We don't have anything like their Constitution, we don't have any such presumptions that underly the Constitution, nor do we have anything like the history that makes it such a centerpiece to the country as a whole.

MrsMerryHenry · 14/09/2009 23:28

Yes, you're right about the way Americans view the Constitution being a foreign language to Brits. Just like the devotion to the flag. I read recently of a Brit in New York whose 3-yo comes home with loads of drawings of the Stars & Stripes. Can you imagine that happening in a UK nursery? Not to mention pledging allegiance every day at school, etc etc. I wonder whether we'd 'understand' their devotion better if we used the same sort of...well, let's say indoctrination techniques.

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