11 year old boy admits raping 9 year old boy

[SomeGuy]

www.sunderlandecho.com/news/Boy-11-raped-nineyearold-boy.5626598.jp

"A schoolboy was just 11 when he raped a nine-year-old boy, he has admitted.

The youth, from Sunderland, was on bail for the sexual assault of two girls under the age of 13, when the rape took place.

Since then three other girls under the age of 13 have come forward with claims he sexually assaulted them.

The child has also pleaded guilty to causing unnecessary suffering after two bantams were killed at allotments.
After he is sentenced he is expected to be tried for the five alleged sex offences and sentenced for the animal cruelty charge.

In court yesterday Judge Bolton, sitting as a district judge, said: "Everyone wants to have a look at you, I'm afraid, to see if we can find out what made you behave like this because, at some stage, I have to decide what I am going to do with you and what I decide depends very much on what people say.

"At your very young age I want to make sure this doesn't happen again and that may mean you have to stay where you are for some time ? a very long time.

"I need to know all about you, as much as I can about you."

The hearing was adjourned for reports and sentencing is expected to take place at Newcastle Crown Court in October."

I agree with the judge. How does an 11 year old end up like this?

How awful for you, CNFT. Do you think he had friends with access to pornography? My daughter was (mildly) sexually assaulted when she was five. It happened at school. The child, aged six, who did it had friends who watched porn.

I should think my daughter's forgotten about it now: we let her talk about it as much as she wanted back then but she never mentions it now so we don't remind her. She seems just fine: a confident, bright child of nearly 11 now. I don't know if this is reassuring at all.

How awful for you, CNFT. Do you think he had friends with access to pornography? My daughter was (mildly) sexually assaulted when she was five. It happened at school. The child, aged six, who did it had friends who watched porn.

I should think my daughter's forgotten about it now: we let her talk about it as much as she wanted back then but she never mentions it now so we don't remind her. She seems just fine: a confident, bright child of nearly 11 now. I don't know if this is reassuring at all.

when you work with children who have had the most god awful upbringing, have been subjected to the most obscene things, you begin to realise that the 11 year old didn't rape anyone....the people that have shaped his life thus far did.

The saddest thing i read was that Baby P, so sweet, so angelic, so tragically killed, would probably have grown up to be anti-social and feckless. At best. At worst he'd have been violent and unstable.

All these sad and horrific children were once adorable little babies and toddlers.

Not all abused children go on to be anti social or abusers themselves!

I actually think it's disgusting the way people are venting their prejudices(sp?) out towards the parents here.

My mum has 4 children to 3 different fathers (and even then 2 of us are twins), she has been married 3 times and yes all marriages ended in a bad way oh and my step dad turned out to be a major coke head and drug dealer. As far as I know none of us have raped, killed or even been in trouble with the law but hey I guess we must just break the mould...

Not every rapist/killer/thief/anti social chav is an abused child, the cycle has to start somewhere.

Fair enough if you lot are right but the way some of you have jumped in with your ideas about his famioly life is wrong!

I do think that some people are just born that way. Let's just blame the parents as usual instead.

JodieO

NO child is born bad. No, it's not always the parents' actions that cause a child to become so disturbed, (but it is usually), but it is someone's actions.

I used to work with a lad who would have (and could have) done this at this age. Also cruel to animals. He had been severely neglected and sexually abused when pre-verbal. Sadly he has been thoroughly damaged for life and is now a dangrous adult.

Mamadiva
Of course not all abused children go on to abuse. I work with young people who have all been abused in one way or another. Some are very damaged, some are quite damaged, and some are only a bit damaged. (but isn't everyone in some way?) I have plenty of young people who have jobs, relationships, education, normal lives. TBH they are the minority, but then these are children who were removed from their families so the abuse, plus years in the care system, was a lot of them to take.

kat2907 Fri 11-Sep-09 15:22:01 Add a message | Report post | Contact poster

"NO child is born bad. No, it's not always the parents' actions that cause a child to become so disturbed, (but it is usually), but it is someone's actions."

Not necessarily. I do know of instances of horrendous acts committed by children who have not, as far as can be ascertained, been subjected to abuse themselves.

as far as can be ascertained...

bollocks. No child is born bad. To assert the opposite is horrifying.

Abuse can also take many forms. motional abuse is the most easy to hide, the most insidious and sometimes the most damaging. An emotionally abused child can look clean, well cared for and unhurt on the outside.

emotional

No child is born evil.I would like to see ANY evidence of a child commiting such an atrocity having been brought up in a loving caring environment I doubt there is any

harrowing story. nature, nurture and upbringing make and shape us all. no one is born innately evil. humans have propensity for depravity and cruelty, we also have propensity for altruism and empathy.

secure rehabilitation and intensive therapy are most likely outcome

one can potentially surmise,this adolescent has had a damaged and disturbed upbringing

i hope the families of all children affected by these depraved acts are supported and counselled.the pain they must be experiencing

We don't know the background to this case but I agree with bethoo - sometimes there is something really wrong with a child which the parents are just not qualified/able to deal with. It is not always as straightforward as saying that the parents were neglectful/abusive. And many children of abusive parents grow up to be very loving parents.

I'm sure I read that a significant amount of people are born sociopathic it's just that most of them conform so socially acceptable parameters.

I think human beings are far more complex than any of us realise.

LOL that is complete speculative mince

socio-path is a complex diagnosis arrived at after fulfilling diagnostic criteria. it is a minority behavioural trait,not prevalent in general population at all

being a git,doesn't mean you are a socio-path
we can all be gits
we are not all sociopaths

"significant amount" sorry been drinking, I used the wrong phrase!

I mean far more than the amount of sociopaths that have committed awful crimes. So yes it is a minority trait, but the majority of sociopaths do not commit crimes and they are born that way rather than becoming that way due to parenting IYSWIM.

There are plenty of cases where children commit awful acts/crimes even though they had a conventional and loving upbringing.

Google throws up quite a few for a start.

I don't think the blinkered approach to children is a good one to be honest. If there is an underlying mental health issue then that cannot always be blamed on the parents and I think it is naeive to do so.

lol DSM IV at dawn.sociopath is associated with in adequate attachment and poor parenting,emotionally absent/distant parents,lack of emotional empathy to others.

sociopathy= nature and nurture

www.bignewsday.com/story.asp?code=QL561546H&news=psychos_born_not_bred

I found this very interesting but I am still on the fence here with this.

As for this lad he is a victim as well as the one he sexually assaulted. I hope he gets the help he needs before its too late for him. I hope his victims get the help they so need as well.

I can;t help wondering if the lack of background detail and the sympathy apparently shown by the judge mean that this boy comes from a comfortably off family. I mean, there is nothing about the parents being on benefits, or having an untidy house, or having once watched a dirty video.
And it is possible that there is something very wrong with his brain chemistry ie something inherent and it's not the parents' fault at all.

maybe best not speculate like ole fish wifes.

undoubtedly media will have a feeding frenzy of social circumstances and whom is to blame