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What to do about this political dilemma?

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MrsMerryHenry · 17/06/2009 14:42

I am planning ahead to next year's election. How do I vote?

Conservatives to scrap ID cards for sure

So. Do I run the risk of allowing the completion of the objectionable ID cards project? Or do I go against my life-long moral stance and vote Conservative?

What would you do?

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FluffyBunnyGoneBad · 17/06/2009 14:45

I'd vote conservative. Think whether you dislike their policies or whether you just dislike them out of principle. If you don't like their policies then just find someone else to vote for, if it's because of the principle then it's time for a rethink!

LadyGlencoraPalliser · 17/06/2009 14:48

You've got to think about the bigger picture. ID cards are important but they are just one issue - you need to weigh it up against all the other Conservative policies and see if you could live with a Conservative government overall.
I agree with you about ID cards, but I would rather try to put pressure on Labour to scrap the scheme then vote for a party whose core polices I detest because they agree with me on this one issue.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 17/06/2009 15:03

Labour are thinking about quietly dropping the ID card thing anyway - it costs far too much and is unpopular. I couldn't bring myself to vote Tory and haven't voted Labour since Tony did away with Clause 4, but fortunately I have the SNP option.

Callisto · 17/06/2009 15:06

Vote Conservative - there is no evidence that Labour intend to drop ID cards (they are already mumbling about it being cheaper to implement them than drop them at this stage) and they also want to bring in a host of other measure that aim to infringe civil rights in the UK - contact point and the Badman review to name just two. To me ID cards are the biggest issue at present and we are desperately in need of a party who believes in small government.

MrsMerryHenry · 17/06/2009 15:21

Old Lady - where did you hear that?

I'd find it even harder to vote Labour than Con, at the mo (have never voted Labour), but I feel that for once in my life I ought to vote strategically rather than on principle.

Callisto what are 'contact point' and 'the Badman review'?

If I voted BNP and they got in, do you reckon they'd repatriate me to the Bahamas at cost to the taxpayer?

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OldLadyKnowsNothing · 17/06/2009 15:27

I'm not sure where I heard it MrsMerryHenry, it may have been on Andrew Neil's show and so more "informed speculation" than "Government statement" iykwim. Seems logical to me though, on expense grounds if nothing else.

edam · 17/06/2009 15:29

Contactpoint - massive database containing confidential details of all children in the UK, supposedly to help avoid another Victoria Climbie - except that apparently it's not secure enough for celebs and VIPs' children, just us plebs. Obviously no MP, govt. minister or person who has graced the pages of Hello has ever abused a child...

I am seriously tempted to vote Tory for the first time ever in a general election on the ID cards issue, especially as they have written to the IT companies warning them it will be dropped if they get into power.

edam · 17/06/2009 15:33

Oh, Badman review - following the Baby P case (where people in health, police and social services DID share info but were still useless). Badman is having a go at home education because clearly that would prevented Baby P, what with him being a baby and all.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 17/06/2009 15:33

The official line on Contact Point here, concerns about it here (and many other places.) Badman Review on home-educated children here, while these people have feedback.

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MrsMerryHenry · 17/06/2009 16:17

"I'd really like the lefty parties to sort out some agreements so they don't split the vote" - too blardy right.

Thanks all for info on contact point/ badman.

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Tinker · 17/06/2009 16:21

I'm not sure I could vote on a single issue. Could never vote Tory though so have no dilemma with this one

edam · 17/06/2009 16:31

Some new Labour lickspittle said on the radio this morning ID cards were a manifesto pledge. I've checked, and the manifesto actually said, in a section on 'strong and secure borders':
"We will issue ID cards to all visitors planning to stay for more than three months."

And went on to say: "We will introduce ID cards, including biometric data like fingerprints, backed up by a national register and rolling out initially on a voluntary basis as people renew their passports."

So, not quite a clear warning to the general population that we will all be forced to pay for and have ID cards, and nothing about the extensive database. Hidden away in a section on immigration and described as voluntary...

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