Margaret Thatcher's in hospital,Is this the beginning of the end? How will you mark the day? Black arm band or party 7.

[Cowwomanmoo]

After looking at the news about Mr T I found my self on wikiquote.

Classic:

In an interview with George Negus for the Australian TV program 60 minutes, the following exchange occurred:
Negus: Why do people stop us in the street almost and tell us that Margaret Thatcher isn't just inflexible, she's not just single-minded, on occasions she't plain pig-headed and won't be told by anybody?
Thatcher: Would you tell me who has stopped you in the street and said that?
Negus: Ordinary Britons...
Thatcher: Where?
Negus: In conversation, in pubs...
Thatcher (interrupting): I thought you'd just come from Belize
Negus: Oh this is not the first time we've been here.
Thatcher: Will you well me who, and where and when.
Negus: Ordinary Britons in restaurants and cabs
Thatcher: How many?
Negus: ...in cabs
Thatcher: How many?
Negus:I would say at least one in two
Thatcher:Why won't you tell me their names and who they are?

i'm sorry rhubarb...but your posts are making me lol..

LOL at having decorators in.

hang on... "why, in your opinion, was it morally wrong to repel the Falklands invasion?"

in whose opinion? no-one's? then why are you getting your knickers in a twist about people not responding to you? i don't understand. there is plenty to question about her actions in the falklands, not least as i have said her shameless capitalisation and her sinking of the belgrano. presumably that's what is being referred to.

You're not really worth bothering with dp.

lolol rhubarb. you are priceless.

I don't think anyone is saying that we, as a country, should not have repelled the invasion. What is being criticised is the WAY that was done.

Not really comparable with the Iraqi war.

Glad you think so Aitch! So pleased there are no passive aggressive techiques in any posts or hidden sarcasms. Perhaps this is the beginning of a fruitful relationship?

lol

lol rhubarb...you really take yourself far too seriously......i think you're having a bit of a laugh actually..

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Surely nobodywould not help a person who fell whoever they were> There are a few i'd quite like to hand over to some force of justice afterwards (i'm thinking Mugabe etc), but nonetheless i'dpick them up.

I think that's they key: people say well do you live in the Midlands or South Wales... well I do now actually LOL, but didn't then, I was a cicvilservant for a while though and my town was fairly decimated by the policies of the time(there are low paid industrial areasa nationwide- well there were, not many now obv).

The key though is that you don't have to have been personally affected, you can empathise with other peoples suffering. I'v e never been black but I can empathise with the desire to fight racism, ditto many a scoail cause.

Agree Peachy. But on one thing, no not everyone would help someone in distress, as countless of hidden camera programmes have shown us, not to mention Mumsnet threads.

I was just pointing out that though mrsruffallo may detest Mrs Thatcher and everything she stood for, she is actually better than Mrs T because she would actually help her should she have come across her in a time of distress.

So although she said she had no respect for Mrs T, I think she does, ultimately, have respect for her as a fellow human being.

I don't think that anyone on this thread would actively rejoice at any other human being's suffering. No matter what they have written in their posts.

I have developed a very deliberate blind spot to the sort of eprson who could leave someone lying. I don't want to know they exist.

They're called 'Thatcherites'

at the risk of invoking godwin's law, i did watch Downfall and think 'there you go you fucker'. don't get all weepy over the pic of mussolini hanging up beside his girlfriend either. i do think this 'do you help people when they fall over' point is a bit on the arcane side... it's hardly talismanic of good over evil. plenty of charming psychopaths about, rhubarb.

Aitch - there is nothing to question about repelling the invasion of the Falklands. We would do it again with any other of the UK protectorates. Well we would if if Labour had not further downgraded our military capability.

The Belgrano was threatening our ships and it had to be sunk. I have stood at the Islas Malvinas memorial in Ushuaia, Argentina to pay my respects and felt personally profound shame of the UK and Argentina (two long standing friendly nations) went to war. It was not Thatcher's fault.

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It's an example is all. I find the picture of Mussolini distasteful. There is nothing to celebrate in death.

She was a vile PM. She did nothing for the role of women in politics, except denigrate it. She gave women in any kind of career a bad name because she made them all look slightly bonkers. I will certainly not regret her passing at all.

Yes, she's now a poor old lady with dementia and a broken arm. She was, however, the woman who plunged half the country into poverty then stood there and said, yeah? So what?? If you can't earn lots of money for yourself, I don't care about you one jot! (paraphrasing obviously, but you get my drift).

Elvis Costello did a record at the time of her rein of terror called Tramp the Dirt Down (if this has been mentioned, apologies...I haven't read the whole thread as I've got the kids upstairs) and I have to say I loved it.

I think what she did for societal values will be with us for ever. The idea of community and caring for those less well off than yourself died in the 80's and it's taken a long time to bring back any hint of that coming back. I think, to some degree, we're seeing a little more of it now, but there is still predominantly an 'I'm alright Jack' mentality to the UK which I certainly don't recall in my yoof.

amen, squilly.

the belgrano, famously was not a threat. gotcha.

Ah but squilly, a lot of people supported her, were made rich by her and her policies. They saw what was happening to the country and the poor and did nothing to stop it, would you trample on them too? She's just one out of thousands who would do the same.

Stood by herself, she's hardly the type you'd go trampling all over is she?

I frequently rage against the system, against corrupt policitians. I can swear and call them bastards and feckers and damned to hell all I want. But if you take just one of them out, and put that person in front of me, I wouldn't touch them. I might lob an egg at them , but no, I wouldn't harm them. That achieves nothing.

Again, do you really think she acted alone? Why not rage against those who supported her? Against those who became millionaires under her 'regime'? Surely she's only as bad as the people who gave her power?

did you write any part of the bible?

"By squilly on Tue 16-Jun-09 16:28:30
She was a vile PM. She did nothing for the role of women in politics, except denigrate it. She gave women in any kind of career a bad name because she made them all look slightly bonkers. I will certainly not regret her passing at all.

Yes, she's now a poor old lady with dementia and a broken arm. She was, however, the woman who plunged half the country into poverty then stood there and said, yeah? So what?? If you can't earn lots of money for yourself, I don't care about you one jot! (paraphrasing obviously, but you get my drift).

Elvis Costello did a record at the time of her rein of terror called Tramp the Dirt Down (if this has been mentioned, apologies...I haven't read the whole thread as I've got the kids upstairs) and I have to say I loved it.

I think what she did for societal values will be with us for ever. The idea of community and caring for those less well off than yourself died in the 80's and it's taken a long time to bring back any hint of that coming back. I think, to some degree, we're seeing a little more of it now, but there is still predominantly an 'I'm alright Jack' mentality to the UK which I certainly don't recall in my yoof. "

not a single mention of trampling, i note. why do you keep bringing this back to something it never was about, rhubarb? i am genuinely confused. no mention of trampling in OP either, or of falling down and getting helped up.