Gordon Browns legacy.... getting Nick Griffin elected

[MrsGuyOfGisbourne]

unforgivable

I agree that people are voting BNP because of the jobs issue! Rising unemployment and a rescession are going to cause unrest and people look to blame anyone immigrants are the first the the firing line. What is sad is that many of the people who vote BNP are (and I know 2)have no understanding of the BNP's policies really, or there policies on other things! They have read the odd 'newspaper' decided immigrants bad and now are voting BNP! It is very sad, worryingly ignorant and similar to how Germany ended up with the nazis in power!

What really fucked me off was the BNP using Winston Churchill on some of the literature...absolutely outrageous.

But people AREN'T voting BNP. At least not much more than they were during boom Britain in 2004.

Wasn't there a lot of voter apathy and that enable the BNP to get two seats?

I don't think you can blame Brown for absolutely everything!

If the vast majority of Labour MPs weren't so busy trying to stab each other in the back instead of engaging with the electorate they might have managed to claw back a little integrity. Do they not realise how bad this made them look and did they not think it would have consequences?
In terms of numbers there were actually less who voted BNP, but many people did not vote to protest so their proportion went up.

The BNP very carefully exploited the immigration issue under the banner of being British. My oh came from Burnley and got out of there years ago (it's a dump) but there is a burning resentment mainly because it is a poor area and people are out of work, and they turned this to their advantage.

i saw nick griffin on the news this morning. i live in the north west, and i can and disgusted.

i am angry with the people who could not be arsed to vote

i am angry with the people who voted for the BNP without understanding what they really stand for and angrier with those who voted and understood what they stood for

you can put a nazi thug in a suit, and give him a rousing speech to read. but he is still a nazi thug

can't believe people would actually put their faith in a party like the BNP to do good for anyone.

Voter apathy is to blame for the rise of the BNP.

I was dismayed that so few of my friends bothered to vote. Most are educated, most are what you would describe as professional (teachers, civil servants etc). If people like this can't be bothered what hope do we have?

apathy
lazy
stupid

70% of the voters did NOT go and vote for people who had previously stolen money from them and generally treated them with contempt.

And people think those who refused to vote were lazy and stupid?

Yes. Because there were plenty of other people to vote for, on the left or the right. It wasn't as if there had been no publicity around the fact that the BNP would pick up seats if there wasn't a strong turnout voting for other parties, so IMO those who didn't vote at all because they were soooooooooo disillusioned with the main parties effectively handed the BNP those seats in full knowledge of what they were doing. The kindest thing I can think of to say about them is that they were lazy or stupid.

it's an absolute fact that poor turnout handed power to the BNP - it's not a wild theory.

It wasn't just voter-apathy. I had my first ever BNP leaflet pushed through the letterbox this time around, plus one from UKIP, the Tories and another independent. Was there anything from Labour? Was there f**k! They're too busy imploding to do anything constructive it seems. If you take this at face value then they're less popular than in the early 20th century! What an achievement. Labour's facing a disintegration worse than that seen at the tail end of the last Tory government. As little as I want to see them continue in government, I can see that it's not great for our democracy for this to happen.

(bob - just wanted to say - top name!)

And re the leaflet - I was shocked to receive one and that the poor postie had to deliver it and got a torrent of abuse from neighbours for that, even tho' he is obliged to do it

Portandlemon, if people voted for the crooks just to use up their vote then the kindest thing I can say is that they are sheep.

"soooooooooo disillusioned with the main parties" yeah because of course you should be loyal to the party daddy and mummy voted for and not let what they actual DO make any difference.

The people who let the BNP in are the MPs in the main parties who thought we'd never notice their contempt for us.

The BNP will achieve nothing with their small gain anyway so no need to commit mass suicide just yet. Save that for when the Conservatives win the general election.

Though to be honest I doubt we'll be able to tell the difference between one bunch of pigs dressed in human clothes and another.

Bob - good point. We had a BNP leaflet and an anti-BNP leaflet and nothing else (in Yorkshire, where the BNP have won one of their two seats.)

They didn't get in because more people voted for them they got in because so many people didn't vote. Shame on those who voted BNP, but shame on those who didn't vote at all - they must share the blame for the fact that those ignorant racist bigots now have a platform in Europe.

Agree LilianGish. I've just been watching the breakdown of voting on the news (get Northwest TV although I live in Wales) and votes for the BNP fell from 35,000 in 2004 to 32,000 this time. Unfortunately, because Labour lost so many votes to the other parties, it was enough for the BNP to get a seat.

Very sad that voter turnout across the country was so poor (30-something percent) ].

What's that quotation? All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing?

I got a postal vote for that very reason when I saw that the BNP were standing in our area and knew that we'd be on holiday. It was unlikely that they'd get a seat but I just couldn't bear the thought of them allegedly representing me.

I've just seen him on the news saying the bnp isn't racist.

I laughed so hard I swear I felt my pelvic floor pop

Wow, maybe I should watch that. I'm pregnant and my pelvic floor has gone AWOL !

if the bnp isn't racist then why have they got this in their 2009 constitution:

SECTION 1: POLITICAL OBJECTIVES

(b) The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic

character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial

integration between British and non-European peoples. It is therefore committed

to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by

legal changes, negotiation and consent, the overwhelmingly white makeup of the

British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948?

onagar, did you actually look at the ballot paper? The "main parties" represented a handful of the options available and there was no need for anyone to "vote for the crooks just to use up their vote" (to be fair, many of the options were pretty right-wing, but not all).

I said diddly squat about being loyal to the party daddy and mummy voted for. But being so "disillusioned" with party A, B, and C that you won't vote at all, for anyone, whether or not they are from one of the parties you are disillusioned with, is whinging crap. Find someone you can at least partially approve of, or get involved and stand yourself if they are all so terrible.

I'm sure people who are black or Asian or gay and whose representative on their county council is now a BNP member will be delighted and reassured to hear that the BNP have achieved nothing with the gain.

At the risk of repeating myself, I've started a thread with this petition, but here it is again
action.hopenothate.org.uk/notinmyname
It will be handed in to the European Parliament on the day Griffin and Brons take their seats.