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Five yr olds to get "SEX" education.......

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skay · 10/03/2009 13:50

Have a look at this

So how would you feel if your 5yr old was in a class being taught SEX education?

Should I be worried about this?

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Rhubarb · 10/03/2009 14:20

But to reverse that. Do you think that perhaps society is also to blame? Every tabloid paper you pick up screams out "SEX", every soap plot is about sex, adverts use sex to sell, teen magazines are about sex, songs are about sex. We are obsessed with sex and we tell children how lovely it is, how nice it is, BUT YOU MUST NEVER EVER DO IT!

How confusing is that?

StercusAccidit · 10/03/2009 14:21

Not at all...my DS1 is 12 in august and he knows EVERYTHING
Asked the sex ed lady to explain a female orgasm and its part in conception I take full responsibility for that

He knows the importance of using barrier methods as well as any other contraception to avoid unplanned pregnancy and STI's.. he can name most STI's and their symptoms too.
In this day and age they need to be armed with as much information as possible.

My DD who is in the 'care' of the local authority, only knows the basics, i have to admit i am disgusted by this.. i can not use contact time with her to explain everything so asked the FC to do it, she said she couldn't.. Don't know why and didn't ask for an explaination either

We owe it to our kids to provide them with information to keep them healthy and safe and sex is just one part of that IMO.

RedOnHerHead · 10/03/2009 14:23

Rhubarb, maybe age 5 is too young to teach about clitoral stimulation, I don't really know - my son likes touching his penis and even at 4 I have had to tell him that if he wants to play with his willy then other people dont want to see it, so he is allowed to do that in his bedroom where nobody else can see.

I will say though, that if children, especially young girls are told that it is ok to touch themselves, then maybe they would be able to experiment with themselves rather than need a member of the opposite (or same) sex to do it for them? It's just a thought.

Growing up, I always thought it was acceptable for a boy to masturbate, but not for a girl. Maybe they should teach that it is normal and healthy and that there is nothing wrong with it.

TwoIfBySea · 10/03/2009 14:25

I explained the meaning of the term "gay" the other day to dts (age 7) because someone at school has been using it as an insult to mean "gross" things.

Perfectly managable without going into too many gory details!

They know where babies come from, they know how babies are made (although they call sperm "man eggs") and all appropriate to their age. It is when the basic function of sex is hidden, made to feel like a dirty secret that I think allows some abuse to happen. Just my own opinion but part of what I've told my dts is that their private bits are called that because no one is meant to touch them.

I do this in the hope that in future they can feel free to discuss these things with me. And if one of them does discover they are gay that they are not worried or frightened to tell me.

It is time to step back from the Carry On stigma of sex education, it all has to be age appropriate but considering the amount of teen pregnancies something has to be done.

TwoIfBySea · 10/03/2009 14:26

Should also add that as well as the basics I also talk with them about, perhaps more importantly, the whole emotional side and having respect for yourself etc.

morningpaper · 10/03/2009 14:27

I can't be the only woman who spent hours wondering where the feck the Judy Blume girl's "special touching place" was located....

solidgoldbrass · 10/03/2009 14:27

Actually, teaching young people that the clitoris is an important sexual organ and that sexual pleasure is important to women/girls is vital (from the beginning, in the same age-appropriate ways as they would teach about erections and ejaculation) - too much sex ed in the past has been all about cocks, unwanted pregnancy, men's 'needs' and disease. If they are n't told that sex is nice and the desire for it can be very powerful, they will have much more trouble coping with their desires. INformation is power, censorship is never for the benefit of the people being prevented from seeing/hearing/knowing things.

hobbgoblin · 10/03/2009 14:28

Ooh, Red, tell me more about that course. Clearly, what I've taught my children has not had the effect I wanted as DS2 subsequently ignored all advice about not showing his privates to random people.

I'm not sure the sex ed will have a more positive effect in this regard but I still believe it has far more value than potential harm. In fact, I do not see what the ahrm is. I've asked this on another thread.

What will happen if children know about these things? What, precisely is the fear?

Rhubarb · 10/03/2009 14:31

Children touch themselves yes, but not in the way we would do. I don't want to call it masturbation because we do that to reach a climax and may be thinking of George Clooney whilst we're doing it. Children, I believe, do it for comfort, when they are nervous or stressed. I don't think a big deal should be made of it and I don't really want it included as part of their curriculum!

Sex is natural and we shouldn't be embarrassed about our bodies or talking about sex or menstruation. But at 5 I think it's confusing to tell a child how nice it is to have sex but then to tell them that they are not allowed to have it.

It's like showing them a lollipop and then hiding it away and expecting them not to try and get it.

At their age it should just be about relationships, feelings, being different and their bodies. I don't think they need to know about the act of sex until yr6.

Rhubarb · 10/03/2009 14:33

solidgold, again yes I do agree but not at the age of 5. I think it's confusing for them.

Mumcentreplus · 10/03/2009 14:34

They should not be doing it/learning about the details if they are 5yrs old is the point...but I agree Rhub society uses sex inappropriately all the time..but the greatest influence of all is how we as parents react and teach our children about it sex..it is natural and part of life ...but it is important to protect and love themselves..sex is not sport

RedOnHerHead · 10/03/2009 14:35

hobgoblin here is the book that I got from when I did the family links course with surestart - I think you can buy it online. It is very good and the chapter on sex is very enlightening! There is also a section about "Helping children stay safe" and "keeping private parts private" - it is a very good book.

SheSellsSeashellsByTheSeashore · 10/03/2009 14:35

dd1's school has already implemented this. She is 5. Sh is currently learning about different family units in sex ed inc homosexual relationships.

I think it's great that schools are promoting a healthy attitude towards sex and sexuality from a young age.

Hotcrossbunny · 10/03/2009 14:39

My dd(5) would be completely out of her depth in any lesson about sex taught at school. We talk about all sort of things at home at the rate she wants to hear them, and as her curiosity is aroused. I am sure it would confuse and worry her and ultimately cause a lot of mental anguish.

As an only child she hasn't really been interested in the whole where babies come from thing, it's only now that her teacher is pregnant that she's beginning to ask questions, which I answer frankly and sensitively. She is a quiet shy soul, who doesn't talk a lot at school, but listens intently and everything is going in to be mulled over. I see sleepless nights ahead

I really do think that 5 is way too young to have formal lessons in school about sex...

Rhubarb · 10/03/2009 14:45

My rule of thumb has always been, if they are old enough to ask questions about it then they are old enough to know the answers. I've never fobbed mine off and I would never betray any embarrassment (not even when she asked how close you had to stand to someone for them to put their penis in you).

For safety, I've said that no-one should be touching any area that would be covered up by a bikini, for girls, by swimming trunks, for boys. Sex is very natural but it's also a very adult thing. It's very hard to explain to a young child why something that you are making out to be so nice and natural and lovely, is forbidden to them.

It needs to be dealt with sensitively and in a way that is suitable for that individual child. That's why I don't think it will get the message across in a classroom full of children of different ages and maturity.

RedOnHerHead · 10/03/2009 14:51

I will quote what the parenting puzzle says about sex:
please bear with me as i type.....

Rhubarb · 10/03/2009 14:52

"It's puzzling?"

Mumcentreplus · 10/03/2009 14:53

Totally Rhub I have told my children the same thing...

SheSellsSeashellsByTheSeashore · 10/03/2009 14:53

From what I can gather the new 'sex ed' isn't jut about sex, it's about families, respect, healthy and hygeine as well as sex and the biology bit.

The younger ones are going to be learning about different famiy units i.e step parents and siblings, single parents, adoptive parents etc and the importance of keeping 'those bits' clean and fresh and respecting other peoples personal boundrys.

The actual sex part comes in much later. They are not going to sit your five year ol down and tell them how to make the opposite sex climax. It's all going to be v age appropriate.

ChopsTheDuck · 10/03/2009 14:56

im not convinced any child needs to start learning it this early.

I've takent eh approach of answering questions as they arise. dd is 9 soon and still doesn't know how babies are made! She simply hasn't asked. I realise I am goign to have to talk to her about it soon, but I don't think she has missed out by not knowing so far!

I wonder what will happen regarding sn too. It's all very well wanting children to have a greater understanding of the emotional factors, but if you have a child who can't grasp that? In ds1's case I think it's best that he doesn't learn any aspect of it for a while yet! I don't want him to start learning about any of the physical aspects at all until he is emotionally at the stage to learn it.

cherryblossoms · 10/03/2009 14:57

I agree with all of Rhubarb's posts so far.

In addition, I'm quite sure the standard of teaching will be darned mixed, too.

My ds has just had PSHE teaching (yr 6) and it was stunningly badly taught. I'm uber-liberal with the dc and was amazed at the nonsense he came home with. Right down to "watch out for hippies who will force drugs upon you." What alternate reality did that come from? Certainly not what I'd taught him but, hey, must be true, because he learned it at school ... .

I can see why it's being done; some parents won't talk to their dc, teenage pregnancy rates so high. But blanket teaching for all dc from five? Kids are so different in terms of emotional maturity. And, I'm sorry, teenage pregnancy rates are linked to social inequality. This is a cash-less cop-out.

drosophila · 10/03/2009 15:06

My DS is 9 and loves everything scientific so he knows the ins an outs (so to speak) of sex. He has figured out that his Dad and I have done it three times (3 pregnancies) and I have let him continue to think this. I now think I am wrong and should have explained that even from a scienific stand point there is likly to be a lot of action as well as the pleasure aspect. I feel a talk coming on. He is refreshingly direct and I am never embarrassed talking to him about it despite a very strict catholic upbringing.

One of his friends is nine and apparently has a lot of erections and is caught rubbing himself whilst watching MTV and the like. His parents have not had he sex talk. Personally I think an open approach to sex is a good thing and would hope it led to girls and boys having higher self esteem and not seeing sex as some sot of tool to win favour.

TsarChasm · 10/03/2009 15:09

I would not be happy with this. Not one bit.

5 yr olds are so young. I have my own doubts about them being at school at all at 5, but if they must, then just leave them to be children for a few years.

The National Curriculum - isn't that just becoming another busy body piece of administration?

The NC says so, therefore it shall be

I am very unconvinced. How about - revolutionary idea - parents, yes parents decide whether their own 5 year olds need to know about this. Heaven forbid that a parent could be trusted to make a decision like that.

RedOnHerHead · 10/03/2009 15:22

Taken from the parenting puzzle

Issues Around Sex
It's a strange fact that we are surrounded by images to do with sex and yet it can still be a difficult subject to talk about. For many of us there's a hangover from the past when sex a sexuality were taboo subjects. If we feel uncomfortable or negative about our bodies, or have painful memories in relation to sex, it is even harder to have a relaxed and open attitude when it comes to helping our children understand about sex.
When we talk about sexual issues with parents, we find that everyone wants to help their children develop a healthy attitude. We also find that many of us think our own parents' approach wasn't very helpful. If we are not comfortable ourselves talking about sex, how can we get over our embarassment and tell a child what he or she needs to know?
Children are naturally curious about their bodies, ans helping them to learn about how bodies work is a process that starts when they are very young. If we can deal with sex related topics as they arise, a child will grow up feeling comfortable about them. If we keep sexual issues quite separate, and say nothing until they are reaching puberty, we make life more difficult for them and for ourselves.
How did you feel about sex when you were young? Did adults tell you what you needed to know? Did you get info from friends, maga zines, TV, sex ed at school? Were you embarrassed or ashamed? What makes it easy for children to ask questions and what makes it difficult?
Many people remember their parents' awkwardness ans want to be more natural with their own children. Some wre told almost nothing, and were anxious when a wet dream or a first period took them by surprise. Some regret being told simply the mechanics of sex; some resent the moral agenda that was forced on them; some asked a simple question and were given a long explaination that went over their heads. But others report of having families who were open and relaxed and who helped them to think of sex as both normal and special.

Helping Children Stay Safe
One way to protect our children is to teach them to heed their feelings of discomfort around touch. Any touch that gives a child an "ugh-ugh" feeling is, to them, inappropriate touch. If we make a child kiss someone when they dont want to - an uncle with a tickly moustasche or sit on someones knee when they would rather not, we teach them to suppress their instincts about touch. In an unsafe situation they will be more vulnerable, as they will have learnt that they have no right to object to touch that they dont like. So the best way we can protect our children is to make sure we treat their bodies with respect; then they will expect others to do so too.

Keeping Private Parts Private
We can help protect our children by teaching them that parts of their body where it is easy to cross their hands/arms are private, and should not be touched by anyone except to keep them clean or if they are ill and need to be examined by a doctor. Nor should anyone ask the child to touch them in these places.
One more reason for not using any kind of hurting touch in the way we discipline our children is the message it sends - that it is all right for other people to do things to your body that you do not like if they are older, stronger or more powerful than you.

AAAARRrrrgh my eyes hurt now!
Hope nobody minds me posting this - hope it helps hobbgoblin

MorrisZapp · 10/03/2009 17:04

For goodness sake, nobody is going to tell 5 year olds about sexual positions and clitorises!!!

They start out with basic relationship stuff about who lives with who, and who is friends with who.

The actual 'how to's come when the kids are reaching maturity themselves.

I think it's high time small children were taught about respect and relationships, which is exactly what this is - not 'SEX', as much as some would like to think so.