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The Catholic Church In Brazil

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OldLadyKnowsNothing · 07/03/2009 22:46

has excommunicated doctors who performed an abortion on a nine-year old girl, pregnant with twins by her rapist stepfather. Had she not had the terminations, she and the twins all would have died. Brazil's laws say abortion is OK in the case of rape or threat to the mother's life - but apparently "God's laws" are more important.

How can these celibate men be so lacking in compassion?

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ThePregnantHedgeWitch · 08/03/2009 16:50

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edam · 08/03/2009 17:02

So the child rapist is a Catholic in good standing while the doctors who saved a child's life, and the child's mother, are so evil they have to be cast out of the church?

Nice.

At least it shows you exactly what the Catholic hierarchy's values are. Doesn't look like anything I read in the gospels.

fruitbeard · 08/03/2009 20:38

The horrific business of that poor child aside, I was very interested to read OldLady's extracts, as my nan, a very strict Catholic, had to have a medical abortion in the 1950's, as it would have killed her to continue with the pregnancy.

She agonised over this and was told by her parish priest that as a mother of 4 it was more important for her to live than the unborn child... she certainly wasn't excommunicated. I think perhaps there's an official line and then there's what happens in RL...

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OldLadyKnowsNothing · 08/03/2009 21:36

All the more shame the Brazilian church in the 21st century hasn't the sense of the British (?I'm assuming here) version 50 years ago! If compassion could be shown then, why not now?

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slim22 · 09/03/2009 01:54

I heard on the news that the pope actually commented that they agreed with the decision of the brazilian church?

Edam you beat me to the parallel with Islam and subjugation of women.
Fascists.

StewieGriffinsMom · 09/03/2009 12:29

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HerBeatitudeLittleBella · 09/03/2009 12:32

Hmm. I don't think the last pope wasn't a mysogynist homophobe. I just think he was more diplomatic about it than this one.

Will now read article and rest of thread...

SheSellsSeashellsByTheSeashore · 09/03/2009 12:35

Does the church not believe that the nine year old girl had 'a right to live' then? Seeing how carrying on with the pregnancy would have killed her?

I am confused.

Poor little girl . This is exactly why I follow no religion. I fail to believe that any God/Allah/Ganesha/whatever would think that this is acceptable behavior.

tiredlady · 09/03/2009 12:41

Clearly not sea shells.

This case is obviously very disturbing, but the Catholic church's protection of their own paedophilic priests just makes it worse IMO.

nailpolish · 09/03/2009 12:44

am astounded that you can separate religion and emotion

actually, when i think about it, im not surprised in the slightest

there are millions of catholics around the world using contraception, having abortions, performing abortions, having affairs etc etc
if they were all excommunicated the church would be empty

how can a dr hide the fact that he carries out abortions? rubbish

Simplysally · 09/03/2009 12:45

I've just read the link. As a rule, I'm pro-life but not in this instance. I have an 8yr dd myself.... I couldn't countenance the idea of her having twins at her age. Twins!! Yes the babies had a potential right to live but not an absolute right.

How cruel of the Church to deny any spiritual comfort to the girl or her family under these circs .

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HerBeatitudeLittleBella · 09/03/2009 12:50

I'm quite glad he's there tbh.

John Paul II was so good at PR, that he made people forget the reality of the catholic church. Benedict reminds us of it.

HerBeatitudeLittleBella · 09/03/2009 12:52

And whoever the cardinals vote in, he is going to be a mysogynist. You don't get to be a cardinal without being one, imo. I don't know of one cardinal who is calling for the ordination of women and an apology from the churchfor its campaign of hatred against us throughout its history.

Brangelina · 09/03/2009 13:06

This is exactly why I'm a lapsed catholic. This is exactly why I never got my DD baptised and I won't let her participate in RE at school (we are in Italy so RE is Catholicism and catechism only, not world religions and social studies).

We had a case here recently where the father of a woman in an irreversible coma for 17yrs had been given the right via the courts to let her die. This was fought to the very end by catholic mps, urged on the the Vatican (a separate state but you'd never know it), whose reasoning for not ending this woman's life was "because she could still have babies". WTF? So, basically for the catholic church woman are purely incubators for the next round of catholics, preferably male. Better still if they lie on their backs all day and can't talk, like this poor woman. I was disgusted and when one of DP's friends asked me why our DD wasn't baptised, I highlighted this case and asked him would you want a daughter of yours baptised into a faith that thinks this?

drlove8 · 13/03/2009 10:35

brandgelina im at the woman in coma, after 17 yrs, surely she was dependent on machines keeping her alive, and i not for the machines she would have died many years before.was the church sanctioning it for some man to impregnate her?- so peadophillia and rape of coma patients is acceptable but not termination for children who are raped and pregnant as a result!...bastards.glad i refused to baptise my kids!

Reallytired · 18/03/2009 15:32

If this pregnancy had continued I suspect the most likely outcome would have been the death of the girl and the twins.

I don't understand the catholic church. They obviously worthship a different god to the rest of us.

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