Sanam Navsarka (upsetting)

[OptimistS]

Yet another appalling case of a child being abused for a long period of time. I won't go into details as it's unnecessary and upsetting and will no doubt be splashed across the newspapers in salacious detail anyway.

Not really sure what I'm hoping to achieve by posting this. I'm not after a witch hunt or (justifiable) public condemnation. I suppose I just wanted to share my sadness, to acknowledge this poor little girl's brief, pain-filled life, and to hope that with each new case there is a concentration of focus among the powers that be to ensure that fewer cases like this slip through the net.

poor little girl

Poor little soul - utterly heartbreaking

yes, poor little girl

Why is it that these poor children are OK with their single parent mums but treated so badly once mum's boyfriend moves in? I just don't understand it. Are the men sadists who deliberately target weak women because they know the woman will stand by or collude?

Nametaken, I think in some cases you've hit the nail on the head. Men capable of this sort of behaviour are very good at targetting women they know they can control. I said on the Baby P threads that I believe there is a strong link between child abuse and domestic violence and that link needs to be addressed as part of the solution to preventing child abuse. I'm not trying to excuse the mother, as most abused women would have stepped in long before this point. However, some men can hold their partners in such fear that it is amazing what they will accept. Often they themselves are horrified at what they allowed to happen once they escape. It's just horrible and soul-destroying all round. Everyone loses, but most of all the child. In this case, her life.

I wonder what can be done to prevent further cases like this. When a child is not known to the SS, they can sometimes miss everyone's radar until they are at school age. I know several mums whose children have not seen a HV or any other professional for two years or more. They are great mums BTW, but if they weren't, no one in authority would be any the wiser. I think we need to create much stronger communities so we are all aware of the chidlren living in them.

Awful

Just so utterly sad. If anybody ever laid a finger on my dd I'd honestly want to kill them. I don't understand how anybody could ever hurt a child. I never will. I just don't get it.

Makes me want to just cuddle my little girl when I hear of things like this.

I was in tears when this was on the news earlier My DS is 2 and I cannot imagine anyone inflicting harm on him deliberately. Totally heartbreaking.

I wrote to my mp about what happened to baby P and never got a reply despite me following it up. So whilst the powers that be say things will be looked into & changed the reality is that some people can't be bothered. This is really awful.

It remains to be seen what the degree of culpability these two people had, however, I notice that BOTH have been charged with murder.

Obviously the police and CPS believe that there is sufficient evidence that BOTH were complicit in the torture and murder of this poor little girl.

Let's not speculate about whether mum was co-erced or whatever, she stood by and was complicit in this girls torture and death. She chose to be with this guy, she could at ANY MINUTE phone the police, social services, go to A+E.

I will be watching this new item with a bit or purient interest. It is a pity that there isn't the death penalty for people who are responsible for some of the most heinous of crimes.

Luckily such people usually get their just deserts inside.

Optimists - I feel the same as you, not to witch hunt but to try & acknowledge poor Sanam's life and suffering. No person, let alone a child, should have to endure what she did. I cannot fathom how someone could either a) do this to a child or b) allow this to happen. I truley think that there is something fundamentally wrong with these people, whether it is developed through their own life experiences or just wrong within them genetically. How do we even attempt to correct these wrongs?

I too have a 2 yr old and when I got home this evening all I could do is hug her as much as I could, and fight back the tears. For some reason, this story doesn't seem to be getting as much press attention and I can't help but wonder if it's because she's not a little "blue eyed, blonde haired angel", KWIM? She was such a beautiful little girl who suffered an extreme level of violence, fear and pain. She has been in my thoughts all day and will continue to be so for some time.

starsmum, I can only speak for myself that the lack of comment on this case compared to the baby P case isn't because of their appearance, it's just a feeling of having been overwhelmed with these feelings of grief and horror so recently and a slight sense of despair because so many of these unbelievable things have been happening for years (Maria Colwell, Amy Howson more recently) and continue to happen. Also I think the baby P case generated a lot of comment because social services were so closely involved with the household and it was clear that there had been obvious systemic failings that could hopefully be changed as a result of the case.

Poor little girl, I should have added.

there are so many ppl wanting subhan to walk free well it obviously aint happening is it! I knew Zahbeena and i no in my heart she wouldnt do this. its funny how she lead a normal life till he came along aint it!! then like her sister said it changed when he came along yeh she admitted she should of protected Sanam but he probably battered them both she was fine till she met him. if uve ever bin in an abusive relationship then u will realise no matter how hard you try sometimes u cant escape you live in fear and the abuser does everything they can to scare, hurt and control you. he was controlling and had a hold of Zahbeena no one knows 4 sure what happened but it will all come out in the end n it will just show how much of a c**t he is funny how more than one person saw him threaten Sanam with the cupboard and nearly stopped her breathing in tescos and neighbours heard him call her a 'BASTARD' thats wot he is! he even filmed her convulsing what sick person does that Zahbeena has not done any of that yeah she could of dun more but he must of done something to stop her helping her baby iwish she hadnt met him and that whomever saw sanam in that last month had come forward and that we had kept in touch. she never even raised her voice she was quite and vulnerable i no he did this!!!!!!