OOh you SKIVING CUPCAKE BAKING SAHMS....read this

[HoorayHenry]

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/janice_turner/article5484714.ece

No offence ahssled LOL, I always point it out though- better than etting hassled about how 'lucky' I am to be a SAHM as I have been in the past LOL

Dear lord having read the rest of the article it really is a pile of sh*t. Based on this what have I done to my poor daughter, such a lousy example I'm setting.

Giving up a career to be a sahm and baking cakes/cupcakes as a means of earning money

Pompous, self opinionated twaddle. TBH I have given up with newspapers full stop these days, none of them warrant the waste of my very idle sahm time

I can't afford to stay at home, I don't think many people can: some make in a priority above things other people see as basics- car maybe, holidays etc, some are forced into it by a lack of childcare or illness. Some poeple couldn't afford it for all the tea in Asda, but some could at least shrink their work hours if they wanted to by cutting down on otehr stuff.

Anyway don't a great number of mums work part time? Which is a bit of a mix of sahm / wohm no? Athough these arguments rarely work unless you take polarisations and go with it.

The Times is shite not a very good read imo

Unfortunately, the Times, like ALL the other national papers, is run by macho wankers (of both sexes) who drive the news agenda.

They hate women, so anything we do is wrong, especially around raising children. It's sad that other women write this stuff. But it's also hard to get commissioned by these wankers unless you fit in with their agenda, which is aimed at "high earning, high achieving women" who they see as their readers. But they never build them up, they always knock them down. So you wonder why any women buy this stuff.

I have worked in newspapers for many, many years. Why, you might wonder. It has been a very disillusioning experience in some ways. I now work somewhere less vicious and unfriendly to working parents.

I know I'll get flamed, but please read this carefully.
FOR ME (not anyone else) I do wander whether the years of training & experience are going to waste as i currently cannot work (just moved to US & have no work visa). i wasn't a high flyer, but a teacher, a job which is useful. i am a little sad that my skills cannot be used atm, but am volunteering at dd's school to balance this. i would also enjoy getting out & talking to adults more. i would not support everything she says, but there is a grain of truth in there. how many women who have qualifications/experience compared with men, decide to leave thw rokforce, even if just for a few years?

hmm, why does the equation have tobe woman's salary - childcare. dh & I thought about joint salary - childcare & other implications, e.g. pensions, if he lost his job, whenever we had to make big decisions. oh, and what would make us happiest was AS important as the financial implications.

now that i'm a SAHM, i do feel that i 'fritter' a little, but then i have 1 dd, in school 4 hrs a dy, just moved here so not many friends and no family to see, so i do have alot of time to fill. this will change, i'm sure.

i think that being a good mum is as useful a contribution to society as doing a useful job, and is no more/less fulfilly than shelf stacking or similar low paid jobs, so it shouldn't be chastised. i would add, however, that for ME (not anyone else) it is much less stressful to stay home & be a mum than to work ft & also be a mum - i was always playing 'catch up' before, house never quite tidy, never not tired, never had enough time with dd, never had enough time to feel really ahead of things at work. very stressful, but i like to be fully in control. now that i run the house, i am in control of it, but I am finding I would like to be able to do some work! (never satisfied)

What a load of tripe! Actually one of the attractions of having kids for me was the potential to work part-time without guilt! I found my full-time job stressful, exhausting and far far from joyous! Had I not had children, I think I may have been forced to chuck it anyway.

As someone else very rightly pointed out, it depends how you define successful. In some ways, our only biological purpose on this planet is to reproduce and keep the human race going. There may be some people who will change the world, but I was never going to one of them! However, it's just possible that my offspring, or my offsprings' offspring might! I'm pretty sure that SAHMs can change the world anyway- they can still be involved in political protests and discussions, and as a sector of society, could have a fair bit of clout should they so choose. It's not always politicians who start the revolutions, is it? Or is it the thought of all us intelligent women having time to actually ponder issues that has the powers that be trying to shove us all back into stressful jobs where we won;t have time to think about things as we try to fit full-time high-flier and full-time mum into just one short life. I have no problem with working mums, far from it, but I hate this totally skewed idea that SAHMs are bored/ idle/ thick! While women who can defy all their natural instincts and go straight back to work are to be applauded, and the rest of us should learn some sort of lesson from them. It's a matter of personal choice, is it not??

(meant the atricle was a load of tripe- not anyone's posts !)

or article, even!

Bah, the more i think about this....

And why attack cupcakes??

Baking is so much fun for small children and they learn so many different skills

Discussing the ingredients needed, where they come from, using the scales, safety in the kitchen, jobs that only Grown Ups do, (the oven is hot, hot, hot!), hygiene and why we wash our hands first, hand eye co-ordination for cracking eggs, patience when waiting for them to bake and cool, washing up, and on and on

I know that bar the oven bit my 3yrd old DD could make up a batch of cakes all by herself.

And has learnt so much more than just baking in the process too.

Aren't we living in a society that is becoming more obese? Aren't we being encouraged to teach our children the basic skills of cooking and baking??

I'm taking my idle SAHM arse off to the kitchen to bake some more cupcakes and mourn the wonderful career in Insurance that I gave up

considerably less insane article about cupcakes

COV I suspect your baking skills would qualify as 'go-getting small-scale artisanal entrepreneur' and would thus have the likes of Janiuce Turner slavering all over you. Not that that would be much consolation.

Hmmm - 'successful women don't have children?'

Hillary Clinton
Cherie Booth/Blair
Benazir Bhutto
Helena Kennedy
Dame Butler Sloss

to name but a few

and my mom

LOL policy, not sure if that makes me feel better or worse about my decision!

let's all bake some cupcakes and send them to janice turner.

"Idleness has been sold to women as the ultimate freedom." Who is this woman? Yesterday it was 3pm before I managed to eat something for the first time that day and that was shovelling a sandwich in my mouth in the car on way to school. Idleness and cupcakes, I am literally speechless. I would like to ram some cupcakes up her you know what.

LOL, could you imagine her going into work on Monday and her desk swamped by half a tonne of cupcakes

That's because you have been too busy decorating pretty little cupcakes and eating sweets in front of daytime tv Riven.

This article is complete rubbish both in terms of content and writing style.

I won't even bother to read the article - I get the gist of if it from what you have all posted.

When will these people stop churning out such shallow 'articles'? There are far more interesting and important family related issues to discuss fgs.

HI everyone!
This is so wrong.
Why on earth working mothers and journalits don't carry on with their lives and choices, and stop criticism and trying to push their views on SAHM? We don't do that, I've decided to stay at home, giving up a good job and career, and I don't go around suggesting others are inferior to me 'cause they chose a different way. Perhaps is 'cause my life is complete and balance, and I'm busy with it, so I don't have time for all that bullshit of trying to prove myself so hard. I don't need that. I know that when you have talent and confident in yourself, you can always come back to work anytime, don't be afraid of losing it. They one and only thing that will scare me, is loosing my son childhood, seeing growing up, teaching to speak, walk, feeding, and values.
For that, you DON'T HAVE ALL YOUR LIFE, that goes before you realise, just a couple of years, but you have the hole future to come back to work.
It seems to me unnatural, to pay to somebody else for doing my mother duties, and go to work to do the duties that someone could always do.
I've seen my neighbour leaving for work in the morning, the baby with the nanny, waving her away happy, and her coming back in noon, the nanny leaving, and the baby crying his eyes out 'cause the nanny is leaving. It's as simply as personal contact, and you give it, or not, in office hours, baby awake, when you come back, baby sleeps, so..??
It just natural, not difficult baby, neither bad mother.
Let's just do whatever we feel is right, but don't try to diminish other people choices just 'cause you don't think so, even seeming more natural.
Look in the way that our society is going, crime rising, disfunctional families, childrens more agressive, perhaps all that reflects in the way that we live today.