'Unprecedented' rise in measles

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The BBC this morning have a story about an unprecedented rise in measles cases over the last year.
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There is an "unprecedented increase" in measles cases in England and Wales, experts report.

Data from the Health Protection Agency showed there were 1,217 cases of measles from January to November 2008.

And 75% of the 115 cases diagnosed in November were outside the traditional hotspot of London - in the north west, west midlands and south east.

The HPA's Dr Mary Ramsay said the rise in cases was due to "relatively low" MMR uptake over the past decade.

snowleopard in Japan they gave singles at 4 week intervals - not long enough between jabs.

Don't forget though folks that pre MMR, mumps was one of the biggest causes of meningitis - fortunately deaths from Mumps are rare - but let's not fall into the trap of thinking "my child doesn't need mumps because she's a girl" - actually mumps CAN affect the ovaries - will try to find a link somewhere.

It's all about herd immunity - getting enough people vaccinated so that the risks of a disease spreading to people who cannot be vaccinated is low.

An immunologist told me that there is more mercury in a tin of tuna than in any vaccine - this was some time ago - then again we don't feed our babies tins of tuna.

What I DO know is that a baby is exposed to more antigens every time they are exposed to someone who sneezes than in the entire vaccination programme yet nobody suggests that sneezing three times in quick succession over a baby causes autism - therefore am not convinced by the overloading the immune system stuff out there.

Anyway - really MUST hide this thread as anytime immunisations/MMR is discussed here it often gets nasty and personal.

FWIW my opinion is your baby and your choice.

I can't catch up but these last two threads have made me decide to bring my reading up to date. And daftpunk I suggest you take your blinkers off and do the same. Ignorance is definitely bliss in this case.

Oh please. Mumps doesn't even affect boys' fertility, as long as they catch it before puberty. Now you claim it affects the ovaries?

I find the media bias in reporting MMR stories most interesting about this - read Bad Science to see what I mean.

But also, every time there is a study that shows something one way or another, there seems to be a queue of people lining up to discredit it for any number of reasons - conflict of interest, methodology, size of sample, etc etc etc It's all depressingly like mudslinging with no-one co-operating to set up a study that everyone can agree is valid and useful.

stuffitllama;

why have you got a problem with me? i'm not the only one on here saying the MMR is safe.

hi look I'm sorry about this but just before Christmas I requested a separate topic for vaccinations

I really think it would be valuable but only a few people responded to a thread I started

does anyone else think it would be a good idea? and if so would you mind saying so here?

Herd immunity and the for the greater good arguments crash and burn in the light of the government's woefully inadequate system for reporting and compensating vaccine damage and the tendancy for medical professionals to declare much vaccine damage as 'coincidence'. Add to that the shameful refusal to examine and help children suspected of MMR damage and the whole thing becomes unethical.

Jollypirate it all about route of exposure and the synergestic effects of the adjuvants and preservatives. Combined vaccines have higher rates of adverse event than singles so clearly there is a sort of overload occuring. Why do you think the advice is to not vaccinate ill children otherwise?

There is a very simple study that would answer most of these questions and would be easy to design but the government refuses to do it. You compare rates of autism, seizures, brain damage, gut problems, etc in vaccinated and unvaccinated populations.

The government's continued refusal to conduct this study speaks volumes in the opinion of many parents.

The ghastly Bad Science blog is written by a pharma shill who has links with the lobby the Science Media Centre by the way. 'Tis pure propaganda.

aviatrix

That must be one of the first posts on this thread that no one could disagree with.

Second Beach on that study. Plenty of MMR studies have been retrospective and a good retrospective study could be designed for the purpose.

What is a shill though -- not heard that before.

Oh I wish we could have a separate subject on this.

God but the odious Goldacre is such a hypocrite.

In Whatfresh's link when talking about Bustin he says that the UK MMR litigation 'collapsed'. It didn't collapse, it was brought to an end when the litigants Legal Aid was withdrawn by a judge whose brother was a director of the defendant MMR vaccine manufacturer Glaxo SmithKline Beecham.

Goldacre is lying by omission yet again. There is loads of other misinformation in that article as per usual with everything he writes about vaccination in his agenda laden blog.

Shill for stuffitllama.

Oops try again shill

Hi Avi I can't remember if I just started a thread or sent an email. Temerity said earlier it would be a good idea for concerned parents to have a place for sharing info and concerns. I think she was right. It wouldn't have to be a boxing ring.

That horsey thing got three times as many posts as my request thread in a nanosecond. It's a new section called My Little Pony

thanks Beach

information on the Shackleton expedition also gripping

a section called "My little Pony"....on mn? really????must check what that one is about...

yes do fairlady (hello btw) and tell them it's not fair

I aim to please , something for everyone. Don't want people thinking that I am obsessed only post about vaccines.