Pink toys lead to pestering and unnecessary unpleasantness in toy shops - discuss

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They're colourist, imo - ignoring orange, yellow, red, green, teal, indigo, brown, etc, etc

The pic of the pink in ToysRUs is foul!

Just think of the semantic weighting and connotations of the word 'tomboy' versus the word 'sissy'.

well, I wouldn't have worn my brother's underpants anymore than he would have worn my knickers.

If a person feels inferior to somebody - male or female - then that is their choice.

I never once said that sexism does not exist, of course it exists, just like all kinds of other 'isms' exist, which I won't bother to list here. How do these 'isms' get started in the first place, surely that's the best way to decode the problem? It must've been the case that somewhere along the line, one side (of the 'ism' in question) chose to feel inferior in some way to the other side.

In the case of sexism, it suits men if women choose to feel inferior to them. I for one, don't feel inferior to any man, it surprises me that any modern woman would.

I'm sure there are men who think they are superior to women - so what, doesn't make it a fact. There are also many races who think they are superior to other races. Good luck to them and their distorted view of life.

There might be Dittany. But I'm not convinced women feel inferior today inspirte of them. They are more likely to know that any man who says such things is a sad losers. Which they are. Girls out perform boys in the classroom throught their education, there are many pre-male dominated jobs that are now female dominated, and many more with equal numbers. Some areas are still male dominated, but that is looking like it's more down to women simp0ly not chosing to work in those areas.

It's not enought to simply say 'women don't receive equal pay'. When wages are averages women's pay is 85% of the average mans. 85% in 30 years. That is something to feel good about not bad. And postive lobbying will do more that negative carping.

Men expereince male violence in far greater numbers than women do. If you look at the stats, men seem to hate other men far more than they do women. That's not to say there isn;t a place for feminism. But it needs to move on just as the world has. I have lost count of the young women that tell me they'd like to say they were feminists but are too embarressed and becasue they don;'t agree with much of the hyperbole. All the rhetoric about oppresion just doesn't square with their day to day expereinces. And that's a feminist triumph, it's only feminism that can't see it.

Rape prosecutuon is the biggest iussue for feminism today. But what is happening is that funding for rape crisis centres is being cut, becasue they are little more than outposts for 2nd wave feminism. The rhetoric on the england and Uk websites is all abotu feminoism and nothing to do with offering help to women who might have just expereinced sexual assault. What about women who have been assaulted but don;t subscrbe to 2nd wave feminist ideas? Where do they go, because Rape Crisis is more alienating than helpful.

Is it women that matter or feminism? I'd assert that the formers needs must come before the latter, but somehow that's been lost sight of.

Who is trying to 'prove sexism doesn;t exist'?

england and wales sites - not, interestingly though, scotlands sites

My god Dittany, you have to ignore the male supremacist idiots. Why dignify them with any engagement? It's they who are the minority now.

I am spinning trying to understand this sorry Dittany, "Women don't feel inferior which is why so many women have become feminists to fight against men trying (and very often succeeding) to treat us as inferior."

So it's women who don't feel inferior who become feminists? Most feminist text challenges that. If anything, it's feelings of personal oppression and inferiority,l that subjective perspective that defines much feminism.

A healthy perspective, Manny!

once again sexism affects women's material lives detrimentally

but surely this is because it is mainly men who are in charge of pay-rises, in charge of politics and finance and so on. Women can now aim for any career they choose but until they stop having families and relinquishing their ascent up the greasy pole, then it will surely be difficult for women to dislodge men at the very top in equal numbers. So in a way, women who choose to stay at home with their families (or work part-time in roles that have little or less chance of progression) also contribute to the preponderance of men at the top.

I don't know you were a professor of psychology Dittany. "If a person believes they are inferior they aren't going to fight against being treated as inferior because they will believe that is the natural order of things." Wow, you need to get that nugget of wisdom published.

Carry on please, you demonstrate better than anyone what it looks like to follwing a political creed above plain common sense.

No please continue Dittany. Nobody does it better

Just a quick link for Dittany about rhetorical tautology