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Obese children "set" before the age of 5 - how to tackle it

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thumbElf · 17/12/2008 13:47

So, the latest research indicates that 90% of excess weight is put on in girls before the age of 5, and in boys it is 70% before the age of 5.

One mother thinks that parents should just be told, straight, that it is down to them to ensure that this excess weight gain doesn't happen - but will this work?

There so often seems to be a backlash against the "nanny state" when parents are put in a culpable position for their children's weight issues - which then gives people an excuse to say "I'm not being told by any Government how to feed my children, they're my kids and I'll give them what I want to."

What do you think? Will people backlash against it or take advice to help their children?

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MissChief · 20/12/2008 10:19

it pisses me off actually when other ps look askance at the healthy snacks i give the kids or if i snatch a bar of choc off them saying they can have it later after tea as if I'm being a mean mum (fillings before the age of 5, anyone??). Ditto the workers at ds's nursery who go on & on about how thin he is (which is true, but then so am i, so no surprise...) I do feed him well, just not (often) junk food, never Mcdonalds, never coke, never microwave meals etc etc and give home-made, organic food where possible.Those are the standards I choose to set and i think they're good ones. I don't think this is being precious, i think it is being a "good" mother, they need the best ingredients possible for their growth.

whomovedmychocolate · 20/12/2008 10:43

Actually I have very little baggage about my childhood, I was very happy but I was picked on because I was fat. I'd have been picked on the same way if I had ginger hair, glasses, braces (had them too), or anything else that stood me apart from other kids because kids can be mean.

I'm actually a bit overweight at the minute because I had a baby five months ago but I'm working on it and I'll lose it in a few months and keep it off. So from that PoV I'm not tied to my childhood, but I also don't want my kids to be!

I can't actually believe that parents don't care if their children are fat. I think people would like to believe that but it's my opinion that parents of fat kids know there is a problem but are not able to admit it openly because they feel judged (and from this thread I can see that this is completely accurate). And yes, perhaps we should judge them, after all parents by and large control what their children eat and if you don't buy crap food they don't eat it. But I think you shouldn't judge unless you are willing to practically help!

As far as solutions, I think there are a few, but I don't have all the answers otherwise I'd be getting paid a lot of money to solve this problem

I think that offering peer to peer help when you have a baby would help, I think it's a community thing. If your kids are on their own and you don't socialise with other mums and see how other people handle problems you rely on other methods (often to do with advertising) to get information. If you don't know any other mums you are less likely to succeed at breastfeeding, and have no-one to turn to when your toddler is being exceptionally difficult and demanding chocolate. Which makes it easier to just give in and let them have what they want.

I also think some basic information on cooking and food should be made available and popularised. How about an 'celebrity family cook' where kids and parents compete together to cook family meals. Perhaps see how Jordan cooks with her kids against oh god I don't know, I don't watch this sort of thing - but you get the idea. If it somehow becomes cool to know how to cook perhaps more people would. I cook and DD is learning to cook, I think that's important. If you understand food and make good tasty food, you eat less than if you eat salt laden crap food.

As far as weighing kids, again I just don't agree with it. Focus on exercise and healthy eating and the weight thing will follow. If you focus on being fat, you will be fat, if you focus on how to live longer and better by being healthier, this too will follow. It's silly to assume that by plonking a kid on a scale and then writing to the parents and saying 'do you know your kid is a bit of a lardarse, how about trying salad' will solve the problem (yes I know you are more indepth than that, but it's mad). If you really believe that some parents just don't care, you won't reach them. If you believe that some parents can be reached then you need short punchy messages. If all the parents take away from the communication is 'you need to do something' make that something as effective as possible. Which means focusing on something active DO exercise rather than DON'T feed them chocolate.

DD is currently walking round the market picking vegetables with DH. Now that is a practical way of her learning about food and also getting some exercise.

Oh and she only has to grow another inch and she'll be matched height and weight so I don't reckon I'm doing too badly!

But this 'I'm such a good parent, I do X and Y, not like these others' attitude is quite conceited and unhelpful. Unless you are actually willing to befriend another mum as a peer and say 'would you like to come to tea with us, don't worry, I'm sure your child will like what we have' etc. it's just hectoring.

edam · 20/12/2008 10:49

I think all the fuss about childhood obesity has given middle class food snobs an excuse to sneer at the poor. Remember the MPs on the health select committee citing some poor kid who was obese at the age of five - and then having to apologise because that child was on heavy-duty steroids for a very serious illness?

MissChief · 20/12/2008 11:02

it's beyond "sneering at the poor" [shcok]. So many more children are becoming obsese, therefore so many more adults will be also. They're going to be unhealthy, die prematurely, live lower quality life etc, that stuff counts, it's massive health inequality not snobbery which is promoting this debate!
I don't hector anyone about what i feed my kids, i keep it to myself in RL unless anyone asks, brought it up here because it's the topic of debate! Hardly conceitful, i do a lot wrong as a mother, i'm sure! Diet is fundamental though so it's not an area i choose to neglect.

edam · 20/12/2008 11:05

Yes, children who are obese need help, but a lot of the comments that are made about it are just snobbery. 'My little Jocasta eats quinoa and organic pumpkin, those working class people exist on a diet of pop and cakes, the scum'.

Class hatred seems to be the last form of discrimination that is acceptable in this country.

Lazycow · 20/12/2008 11:07

Maybe we need a bit of balance here. How about this article which says that it is not all that bad.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7105630.stm

I personally am much more worried about the weird relationship we have with food and body image as a society than obesity per se.

MissChief · 20/12/2008 11:09

i agree, it's okay to make dismissive comments about "chavs" but not be racist etc... Not read much of the thread just OP and recent posts, did anyone really make comments like that? if so, maybe they're just giving their own example of feeding their kids well (however pretentious sounding) rather tha trying to rub people's noses in it, don't you think?

MissChief · 20/12/2008 11:10

by that, i don't mean i think it's okay to be make such comments, but that it's socially acceptable to many.

edam · 20/12/2008 11:11

Agreed, Lazycow. I'm really worried that all this excessive attention schools pay to diet will cause a backlash and this generation will grow up with really warped attitudes to food. Especially as a lot of schools seem to have very little understanding of nutrition, policing lunchboxes for chocolate while encouraging cereal bars.

FWIW ds goes to school where most parents are very middle class and lots of them greet their children at the gates with chocolate/cakes/crisps. Yet come on MN and you get people claiming it's all the common folk that don't have a clue what to feed their kids.

Nowt wrong with a bit of chocolate if your kids come out of school starving but the way the working classes are blamed for not going organic seems rather unfair.

MissChief · 20/12/2008 11:14

has it really been so classist on this thread?? Which posts?

edam · 20/12/2008 11:15

Not this thread in particular, but countless threads before.

MissChief · 20/12/2008 11:17

I for one have said nothing about wc mums this, wc mums that, just talking about parents who feed their kids so badly that they become obsese, that's the issue here, not class. And it is so bad, i used to work at the Depart of health - v scary stats on obesity related lifelong conditions, diabetes, heart disease etc etc. These are severe, life-threatening and in many cases utterly avoidable thro lifestlye. Many of us are getting them, huge numbers of us will have our lives severely curtailed by them, many of us will die early, that's why we should act!

whomovedmychocolate · 20/12/2008 11:20

My daughter's nursery refuse to allow children fruit unless it's cut up into bits in the box (even grapes have to be halved). I can understand that they don't want kids to choke but by lunchtime fruit cut at 7am is horrid (even if you use lemon juice) so it doesn't get eaten.

Our local primary school has snack machines and drinks machines, none of which offer fruit. Because they make money from them.

Yet both are more than willing to offer 'advice' (but not help) on childhood obesity

whomovedmychocolate · 20/12/2008 11:21

BTW if you are not guilty of having a holier than thou attitude, why are you taking offence at the comment? I rarely take offence when people say things which don't apply to me!

My comments weren't aimed at anyone in particular.

MissChief · 20/12/2008 11:24

right, okay just being super-sensitive right now (PMT, pre-xmas , whatever) and thought you were saying I was hectoring, becuase I wasnt. Fair enought then.

edam · 20/12/2008 12:12

neither were mine, Whomoved (if you are addressing me, am not sure).

thumbElf · 20/12/2008 12:20

edam, you really are the first person who brought all that classist stuff into this debate - it wasn't here before and it is rather detracting from the point, which is not "don't berate people about it" but "HOW can people be helped?"!

wmmc, sorry if you took my baggage comment amiss - you are demonstrating that you have issues around fat labelling, which is fair enough if you were bullied for it; but your reaction is still a little ott; scales aren't "demons". for you as well that your local schools and nurseries are so unhelpful - but that is one thing that could be changed by intervention from e.g. local government, who won't do anything unless they really think there is a problem, which they won't know unless they have facts and figures.

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edam · 20/12/2008 12:24

Um, people are allowed to talk about the subject generally rather than stick to some strict parameters that exist in the mind of one poster, you know.

I think, if you are concerned about helping people, it's important to look at the context.

edam · 20/12/2008 12:26

and if you really want to tackle it, you are going to have to take on the might of the supermarkets and the food industry. That's a daunting job. Have you read anything by Felicity Lawrence? Google her - some really interesting insights.

thumbElf · 20/12/2008 12:33

edam, I wasn't suggesting that you stick to any kind of "strict parameters", it's just that you looked like you were responding to something that didn't exist in the discussion until you brought it in.

Well, yes, you are right - but the People's Might is able to do things if they all go the same way - look at the GM foods thing - purchase power goes a long way in the minds of the Big Food people. It's just how to get the message across to people WITHOUT being classist/patronising/smug etc and all the other things that just cropped up in the last couple of pages, which typify the problem with reaching huge numbers of parents/people.

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thumbElf · 20/12/2008 12:36

And yes, I have read Not on the Label. A very good book that should be required reading for everyone.

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edam · 20/12/2008 12:38

I thought FL would be right up your street.

I dunno, had some dealings with the food industry in my last Proper Job, and it was very depressing. Look at the way the supermarkets acted over the traffic light labelling scheme. They don't want people to know what's in processed food. And they are still selling hydrogenated fats...

needmorecoffee · 20/12/2008 12:42

just been round Morrisons and the cheap food, the food with special offers, is the bad for you food. So poeple buy it. Its tasty and cheap.
Morrisons is certainly a place to see overweight people.

edam · 20/12/2008 12:45

cheap food is filling, too. If I was desperately poor, and wanted to fill my child's tummy without spending much, I'd be cooking chips. A lot.

thumbElf · 20/12/2008 12:54

you are both right and that is half the problem - that the supermarkets do most of their super-special buys on "crap" food (6 2L bottles of diet coke for the price of 2, anyone?) - and it does make it hugely difficult for people to steer away from the crap food if it is the cheapest (and they haven't been taught how to cook from scratch).

Even though times are hard, people still don't need to buy all the junk though - and it might feel filling at the time, but it's a bit like Chinese food - an hour later and you're hungry again. Look at the war years - times were really hard then and after, with the rationing but people managed to eat and stay slim mostly.

Expecting the supermarkets to voluntarily help is a bit like expecting the pharmaceutical industry to start promoting "stay healthy" schemes! BUT it needn't be, because they could be persuaded by People's Purchase Power, as they have been with introducing more organic stuff, gluten free foods and refusing to have anything containing GM ingredients. In the end, they are still selling food, even if it is "better" food, and not junk.

And while I'm on my soapbox, ANYONE who thinks Go Ahead! stuff is a good idea needs to think again - RACK full of sugar! which is more likely to hurt than the original levels of fat that are in the normal varieties of the biscuits.

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