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New MMR study

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FairyMum · 03/03/2005 11:38

Sorry, can't do link, but wanted to post this interesting link FYI:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4311613.stm

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Toothache · 04/03/2005 07:59

Socci - I had my Rubella at school when I was 1o. I then had the MMR at Uni as there had been an outbreak of German Measles in the halls of residence (the guys hadn't been vaccinated at school).

But I had already had all of the illnesses as a child! Immunity doesn't necessarily last a lifetime.

lockets · 04/03/2005 08:06

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Toothache · 04/03/2005 08:07

Nope, no tests. Just all of us told to have the vaccine.

Portree · 04/03/2005 20:19

I've so enjoyed reading this balanced thread. I tend to avoid vaccination threads as I find them so emotional. I'm the occasional poster that Jimjams referred to. My sister was left severely brain damaged after her whooping vaccine in the early 70s. The one and only time I wrote in detail about it was on a thread that was ultimately trolled-off, so I'm reluctant to go there again. Seeing as how whooping cough was mentioned I thought I'd post a couple of links regarding a news investigation into that vaccine here and here . This is a link to the DWP's site on the UK vaccine damage payment system (and guess what, if you're eligible for the £100k you're other benefits may be cut, unbelievable). What I find of most interest is that the Irish Supreme Court found as it did and awarded £2.7 million in compensation. I tried to encourage my parents to request the batch numbers of my sister's vaccine but they just have no fight left. I shudder when I read on this site of batch numbers not being recorded by sloppy nurses and health professionals.

Needless to say ds is unvaccinated at 15 months. When I was younger and bearing in mind our family history I was told that any children I had should not be vaccinated. This adivce was changed so that having a first degree relative with vaccine damage and epilepsy is no longer reason not to vaccinate. Interestingly, all my cousins are older than me and they were advised by GP not to vaccinate their children. I just can't make the leap myself to vaccinate. I have frequent panics about it but just know that right now I cannot have him vaccinated. Our family GP is very supportive and I was offered DTP singles .... amazing what the NHS can pull out of the bag. But that was when ds was 8 weeks old and I think tetanus is no longer available, the only vaccine I would seriously consider for him just now. My worry is that ds will not get the diseases in childhood and will be unvaccinated and then get the diseases as a teenager/young adult when they are much more dangerous.

Jimjams, I bought the Randall Neustadter (sp?) book and have found it a good source to balance the relative risks so thanks for the recommendation. What are your views of doing a 'pick n mix' vaccination schedule when ds is a teenager? Do you know when exactly the immune system is mature as I've read various ages quoted? Sorry for the ramble.

Jimjams · 04/03/2005 20:52

I think you struggle with the same questions as me Portee. I wonder about doing that as well (pick and mix when older). And I worry about childhood diseases in adulthood. however I've stopped thinking about it as I'm training to be a homeopath so I think the likelihood is that by the time the boys are in their teens I'll be very comfortable with not vaccinating, and maybe they will have caught the diseases by then in which case the decision will be easy.

I tend to think the whole "immune system maturing" thing is a bit of a red herring. It's designed to evolve/mature the whole time, as it meets new pathogens. Homeopaths believe that a disease like measles is very important to have (although they do recognise that it can be serious) as it leads to a maturation at all sorts of levels. I'm sure allopathic drs would think that barking though.

Portree · 04/03/2005 21:05

Good point about the immune system that I hadn't considered. Ds was unwell last week and I did wonder if it was measles at first. I swung from worrying one minute to thinking well if it is measles lets get it over and done with and it's one less to worry about. Just a virus though. Good luck with the homeopathy. I'm a big fan as I'm sure homeopathy helped clear ds's eczema. I would definitely consult her if ds did get one of the childhood diseases.

Jimjams · 04/03/2005 21:17

homeopathy is usually pretty good for all the childhood illnesses. I'm the same as you when they lool like they're getting something.

HunkerMunker · 04/03/2005 21:22

(Jimjams, it's not just you who sniggers at testicles - the word, that is!)

Socci · 04/03/2005 21:26

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